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Hello to all the Community

I have had my new poodle puppy for 1.5 months. He is now 4.5 months (4.2kg) and I want to ask if anyone can tell me why his hair is straight (looks like that will change) and what color do you think it is? And how many kilos will it be? (we were told it's mini) I'm sending his photo (he had a bath a while ago and we combed his hair)

Thank you and I look forward to your responses
 

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Welcome to you and your boy! What's his name?

You're correct in supposing that he's currently sporting a normal puppy coat. They tend to be softer and straighter than the adult coat.

The adult coat can start coming in around his current age or later. As a single coat breed (growing hair rather than shedding fur), you'll see the change when it starts. The straight hair will start to curl on the same strand.

My boy around the same age

You can see the curls forming closer to the skin
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His color appears to be what's called red or apricot in the North American poodle clubs and registries. It will likely fade as he gets older.

He may be a light red or dark apricot. The colors are actually a spectrum so unless at the upper and lower range where it's clear to see, he might be described either way. Someone who knows color better than I will hopefully weigh in here.

If I'm reading your flag correctly, Greece is an FCI registry member. FCI has different measurements than the North American, and some others.
The Various Sizes of Poodles Today
Please note that in all respects (except size) the various Poodles defined under each system should be exact replicas of the Standard (or FCI the Medium) Poodle. The 4 sizes recognised by the FCI and the 3 sizes recognised by countries other than the FCI are as follows:

ANKC, NZKC and Kennel Club (UK)American and Canadian KCFédération Cynologique Internationale (FCI)
StandardOver 38 cms (15 ins)Over 15 inches (38 cms)Over 45 cm (17.7 ins) up to 60 cm (23.6 ins) with a tolerance of +2 cm (0.79 ins)
Medium - over 35 cm (13.78 ins) up to 45 cm (17.7 ins)
MiniatureUnder 38 cm (15 ins) but not under 28 cm (11 ins)Under 15 inches (38 cms) with a minimum height in excess of 10 inches (25.4 cms)Over 28 cm (11 ins) up to 35 cm (13.78 ins)
ToyUnder 28 cm (11 ins)10 inches (25.4 cms) or underOver 24 cm (9.45 ins) (with a tolerance of -1 cm or 0.4 ins) up to 28 cm (11 ins) [sought after ideal: 25 cm (9.8 ins)]

The FCI Poodle/Caniche breed standard. Fawn is the term used in the FCI rather than red.
FCI Standard No


On his size, this chart shows the typical growth pattern (again NA registry varieties).
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Were you able to meet his dam or see any other relatives before you brought him home? Their size is no guarantee but can be somewhat predictive.

Weight isn't a factor in the breed standard, so your guide there is healthy weight for height at shoulder. Your vet should be able to guide you in that.

For comparison, this is the first almost 6m of my two miniature boys weight. I never could get an accurate height.
6-28 17
8w 4d
Neo 2.8lb
Remo 2.3 lb

7 12 17
10w 4d
Neo 4.0lb
Remo 3.2lb

8 2 17
13w 4d
Neo 6lb
Remo 5lb

9 1 17
17w 6d
Neo 8.8lb
Remo 7.3lb

9 5 17
Neo 9lb
Remo 7.6lb

9 22 17
20w 6d
Neo 10.4lb
Remo 8.4lb

10 4 17
Remo 9lb

10 21 17
Remo 9.3lb

10 23 17
Neo 11lb
Remo 9.5

At this time, and this can change due to his growth and genetics, he's between my two boys for weight. They finished their growth at about 12-13lbs for Remo and 14-15lbs for Neo. Remo has maintained his weight thru now at about 6.5y old. Neo has added a couple of pounds which I'm trying to get off him.

They are both in-size for the miniature variety per the NA breed standards.
 
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Welcome to you and your boy! What's his name?
Nice to be here...his name is Albert 4,5 months old and 4.2 Kg

You're correct in supposing that he's currently sporting a normal puppy coat. They tend to be softer and straighter than the adult coat.

The adult coat can start coming in around his current age or later. As a single coat breed (growing hair rather than shedding fur), you'll see the change when it starts. The straight hair will start to curl on the same strand.

My boy around the same age

You can see the curls forming closer to the skin
Thank you for the analysis. From what can be seen under the coat he has as a baby, it is wavy or curly and not straight. His hair is now slowly getting stuck in the comb every time I brush him and he is slowly shedding new hair.Your baby is so cute.

His color appears to be what's called red in the North American poodle clubs and registries. It will likely fade as he gets older.
At the moment the color of the child's coat is brown underneath, it shows a little which brown (looks like gold to me) can you send me one so I can understand the red of North America? So you say he will ne apricot colour?

If I'm reading your flag correctly, Greece is an FCI registry member. FCI has different measurements than the North American, and some others.
Yes i am from Greece and sorry all these details for the weight and height are difficult for me to understand...can you tell me with little words for my FCI?

On his size, this chart shows the typical growth pattern (again NA registry varieties).
With simple words what kgs to wait for my baby?And Height?

Were you able to meet his dam or see any other relatives before you brought him home? Their size is no guarantee but can be somewhat predictive.
Not have many details for his parents jyst they are mini and ander 35cm

Thank you for everything and I wait your reply
 
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Thank you for the answer... the change of the coat from a child to an adult has slowly started. I comb it almost every day but I don't know if I should do it every day and it is growing hairs again in the comb. I think this is normal. We decided to the hairdresser should not cut him with short hair, just take it out little by little
 
#7 ·
His hair is now slowly getting stuck in the comb every time I brush him and he is slowly shedding new hair.
(I'm going to try my built-in translator. I hope this will help. If this doesn't help, or the translated Greek is not done well, let me know if another language might be better.)

This sounds like he might be in the beginning stages of coat change. It becomes even more necessary, as BBVidya writes, to use a comb suited to poodle coats daily and make sure that you can comb thru from the skin out to the ends.

Αυτό ακούγεται σαν να βρίσκεται στα αρχικά στάδια της αλλαγής παλτό. Γίνεται ακόμα πιο απαραίτητο, καθώς η BBVidya γράφει να χρησιμοποιείτε μια χτένα κατάλληλη για παλτά κανίς καθημερινά και βεβαιωθείτε ότι μπορείτε να χτενίζετε από το δέρμα μέχρι τις άκρες.

auto agougetai shan nha brigida stou archic stadia ths allagis palto. ginete akoma pio aparaitito, kathos iii BBVidya graphei nha chrisimopoieite mia chtena katallili gia palta kanis kathimerina kai bebaeotheite oti mporeite nha ctonizete apo to derma mechri these akres.

Χτένα στυλ λαγωνικού 7,5 ιντσών (ή μεγαλύτερο)
chtena style lagonic 7,5 intson (a megalytero)
7.5 inch (or larger) greyhound style comb
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Poodles don't actually shed like most dogs. They will lose hair in the same way that humans do, because it gets pulled out, broken or cut. If you are seeing clumps coming out, something may not be right.

Τα κανίς δεν ρίχνουν πραγματικά όπως τα περισσότερα σκυλιά. Θα χάσουν τα μαλλιά τους με τον ίδιο τρόπο που το κάνουν οι άνθρωποι, επειδή τραβιούνται, σπάνε ή κόβονται. Εάν βλέπετε συστάδες να βγαίνουν, κάτι μπορεί να μην είναι σωστό.

ta kanis den richnoun pragmatic opos ta perissotera skilia. t khasun ta mallia these me ton idio thereby pou to kanoun oi anthropoi, epeides traviountai, spane a coupent. ohen blepete systades nha bgainoun, katie mporei nha mhn einai sosto.


At the moment the color of the child's coat is brown underneath, it shows a little which brown (looks like gold to me) can you send me one so I can understand the red of North America? So you say he will ne apricot colour?
Alber's nose looks black in the photo. If it is black, his coat may look brownish but cannot be brown. Color genetics makes that impossible.

His color looks like he is in the red family of color. Red or apricot coat color may have black or brown noses.

Η μύτη του Alber φαίνεται μαύρη στη φωτογραφία. Εάν είναι μαύρο, το τρίχωμά του μπορεί να φαίνεται καφετί αλλά δεν μπορεί να είναι καφέ. Η γενετική των χρωμάτων το καθιστά αδύνατο.

Το χρώμα του μοιάζει σαν να είναι στην κόκκινη οικογένεια χρωμάτων. Το κόκκινο ή βερίκοκο χρώμα παλτό μπορεί να έχει μαύρες ή καφέ μύτες.

iii myti the Alber point mayri sti photographed. ohen einai mayro, to trichoma the mporei nha point cafeti allow den mporei nha einai coffee. iii genetics than chromates to kathista adynato.
to chroma the moiazei shan nha einai sten kokkini oikogeneia chromates. to kokkino a bericoco chroma palto mporei nha echei maures a coffee mytes.

This link is to a recent thread with photos of some PF red and apricot poodles. Some also show the progression of the color fade or change.

Αυτός ο σύνδεσμος είναι σε ένα πρόσφατο νήμα με φωτογραφίες ορισμένων PF κόκκινα και βερίκοκα κανίς. Μερικοί δείχνουν επίσης την εξέλιξη του χρώματος ξεθωριάζει ή αλλάζει.

its aux syndesmos einai so ein prosphate nima me photographs orismenon PF kokkina kai bericoca kanis. merikoi dichnoun episis then excellent the chromatic xethoriazei a allazei.
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all these details for the weight and height are difficult for me to understand
The FCI breed standard states this on the size of the miniature poodle variety under their rules:

Miniature Poodles: Over 28 cm up to 35 cm. (at adult growth)

Το πρότυπο φυλής FCI δηλώνει αυτό σχετικά με το μέγεθος της μικροσκοπικής ποικιλίας κανίς σύμφωνα με τους κανόνες τους:

Μινιατούρες κανίς: Πάνω από 28 cm έως 35 cm. (στην ανάπτυξη ενηλίκων)

to protypo fylis FCI dilonei auto shetika me to megethus ths microscopic poikilias kanis symphon me these canons these:
miniature kanis: pano apo 28 cm eos 35 cm. (sten anaptyxi enilic)

With simple words what kgs to wait for my baby?And Height?
It's not possible to predict with any certainty what his adult height and weight will be. That will depend on the genes he's inherited from his dam, sire, and all the ancestors before them.

Δεν είναι δυνατόν να προβλέψουμε με βεβαιότητα ποιο θα είναι το ύψος και το βάρος του ενήλικα. Αυτό θα εξαρτηθεί από τα γονίδια που κληρονόμησε από τη μητέρα του, τον αδελφό του και όλους τους προγόνους πριν από αυτούς.

den einai dynaton nha problepsume me bebaiotita poio t einai to ypsos kai to baros the enilika. auto t exartithei apo ta genetic pou klironomise apo the mother the, ton adelfo the kai olous these progenitors prima apo autous.

The chart above can give an idea of those based on his current age.

Alber is 4.5m old. That is close to 20weeks. If you look at the chart halfway between the 16 weeks and 24 weeks, he appears to be around half his adult weight and 80 to 85% of his adult height.

If he follows this typical growth pattern, he'll be around 8.4kg at adult growth. Without knowing his height now, I can't give a prediction but he's probably near his full height, but not full grown yet.

Το παραπάνω διάγραμμα μπορεί να δώσει μια ιδέα για αυτά με βάση την τρέχουσα ηλικία του.

Ο Alber είναι 4,5 μέτρων. Αυτό είναι κοντά στις 20 εβδομάδες. Αν κοιτάξετε το διάγραμμα στα μισά του δρόμου μεταξύ των 16 εβδομάδων και των 24 εβδομάδων, φαίνεται να είναι περίπου το ήμισυ του ενήλικου βάρους του και το 80 έως 85% του ενήλικου ύψους του.


Αν ακολουθήσει αυτό το τυπικό μοτίβο ανάπτυξης, θα είναι περίπου 8,4 κιλά στην ενήλικη ανάπτυξη. Χωρίς να γνωρίζω το ύψος του τώρα, δεν μπορώ να δώσω μια πρόβλεψη, αλλά είναι πιθανώς κοντά στο πλήρες ύψος του, αλλά όχι πλήρως αναπτυγμένος ακόμα.

to parapano diagram mporei nha dosei mia ideea gia id me bazi then trexusa ilikia the.
aux Alber einai 4,5 metron. auto einai conta sites 20 evdomades. anne kitaksete to diagram stou misa the dromou metaxy than 16 evdomades kai than 24 evdomades, point nha einai peripou to imisi the enilikou baros the kai to 80 eos 85% the enilikou ypsous the.

anne akolouthisei auto to types motif anaptyxis, t einai peripou 8,4 kilo sten eniliki anaptyxi. choris nha gnorizo to ypsos the there, den mporo nha doso mia problepsis, allow einai pithanos conta sto plires ypsos the, allow oxi pliros anaptygmenos akoma.

Not have many details for his parents jyst they are mini and ander 35cm
So his dam and sire are in-size for the miniature variety. That's helpful but as noted above, isn't a guarantee that his adult size will be the same. If you have a current measurement of his height at the top of his shoulder then you can calculate from that 20 week mark to estimate his adult height.

Έτσι, το φράγμα και ο αδελφός του είναι σε μέγεθος για τη μικροσκοπική ποικιλία. Αυτό είναι χρήσιμο, αλλά όπως σημειώθηκε παραπάνω, δεν αποτελεί εγγύηση ότι το μέγεθος του ενήλικα θα είναι το ίδιο. Εάν έχετε μια τρέχουσα μέτρηση του ύψους του στην κορυφή του ώμου του, τότε μπορείτε να υπολογίσετε από αυτό το σημάδι των 20 εβδομάδων για να υπολογίσετε το ύψος του ενήλικα.

etsi, to fragma kai aux adelfos the einai so megethus gia the microscopic poikilia. auto einai chrisimo, allow opos simeiothike parapano, den apotelei eggyisi oti to megethus the enilika t einai to idio. ohen echete mia trexusa metric the ypsous the sten koryfi the omou the, tote mporeite nha ypologisete apo auto to simadi than 20 evdomades gia nha ypologisete to ypsos the enilika.
 
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We decided to the hairdresser should not cut him with short hair,
Possibly not just yet, but you may before long need to seriously consider going shorter. It can be very uncomfortable for our pups with us constantly needing to comb thru the forming tangles. This is a kindness we choose for them :).
 
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(I'm going to try my built-in translator. I hope this will help. If this doesn't help, or the translated Greek is not done well, let me know if another language might be better.)
It's ok both Translation and English post don't worrie just tell before don't understand not for the language but for the to many infos hehehe.


This sounds like he might be in the beginning stages of coat change. It becomes even more necessary, as BBVidya writes, to use a comb suited to poodle coats daily and make sure that you can comb thru from the skin out to the ends
Just as you say, it's the beginning of the hair change and from below it can be seen that he has wavy, maybe even curly (I can't understand exactly) hair. I comb him every day with a double comb and he is slowly shedding (childish) hair.
Is there any indicative photo of new adult hair before the baby hair is completely gone so I can understand if it is wavy or curly?


Poodles don't actually shed like most dogs. They will lose hair in the same way that humans do, because it gets pulled out, broken or cut. If you are seeing clumps coming out, something may not be right.
Sure understand this but i don't understand what do you mean if i saw clumps?What is the clumps?


His color looks like he is in the red family of color. Red or apricot coat color may have black or brown noses.
Yes he is from red family but not sure yet if he is red or apricot (propably as you already say he is fawn) and yes his nose is black


This link is to a recent thread with photos of some PF red and apricot poodles. Some also show the progression of the color fade or change.
Okay, I'll see it now. Let me give you an idea of what exactly it will be

The FCI breed standard states this on the size of the miniature poodle variety under their rules:

Miniature Poodles: Over 28 cm up to 35 cm. (at adult growth)
Yes it seems he will be Mini Poodle


It's not possible to predict with any certainty what his adult height and weight will be. That will depend on the genes he's inherited from his dam, sire, and all the ancestors before them.
Correct so must wait little


Alber is 4.5m old. That is close to 20weeks. If you look at the chart halfway between the 16 weeks and 24 weeks, he appears to be around half his adult weight and 80 to 85% of his adult height.

If he follows this typical growth pattern, he'll be around 8.4kg at adult growth. Without knowing his height now, I can't give a prediction but he's probably near his full height, but not full grown yet
Sure Albert (Just fill "t" in the end of the name) seems will be about 80-85% from his adult height and about 50-60% from his adult weight...so i will expect him 30-32 cm and about 7.5-8.5 kgs
Now if i messure correct he is about 27-28 cm


So his dam and sire are in-size for the miniature variety. That's helpful but as noted above, isn't a guarantee that his adult size will be the same. If you have a current measurement of his height at the top of his shoulder then you can calculate from that 20 week mark to estimate his adult height
Ok i will wait until 20 weeks to make accurate measurement but as i saw now is about 27-28 cm
 
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Possibly not just yet, but you may before long need to seriously consider going shorter. It can be very uncomfortable for our pups with us constantly needing to comb thru the forming tangles. This is a kindness we choose for them :).
So you suggest to the next grooming to cut the baby hair? I will go there to about 20 days
 
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Is there any indicative photo of new adult hair before the baby hair is completely gone so I can understand if it is wavy or curly?
The change happens on the same hair shaft so it's visible as it grows out. (more photos above)
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It will take some months to finish the change but as the curl or waviness becomes more visible you'll get a preview.

The straighter puppy hair will need to come off at some point for the curl to shape better.

After my boys adult coat had grown out for about three months we had it clipped off and went from the above to this.
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His coat is not a best example of a poodle coat. The red/apricots here in the US are often of a looser curl. It was also not quite done changing in this photo.

These next pictures below are from around a year ago, when my boys were nearing 6 years old.

Neo's coat is denser and with a tighter curl than his brother.

Neo if he were to air dry
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after being blown dry with a hairdryer
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Remo if air drying
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Blown dry
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If they get wet or are in humidity, the curls return, just like a human who has curly hair that they try to keep straight.

So you suggest to the next grooming to cut the baby hair? I will go there to about 20 days
If your picture above is current and you are keeping up with the comb through daily or every other day, you could probably hold off for the grooming after this upcoming appointment. You're going to need to let the coat tell you. If you comb through a section, go to another section then come back to the first to find it tangled again already, it's probably time.

I will gently mention that even if you prefer the fuzzyface look, you'll do Albert another kindness by acclimating him to having his face shaved for a while. We've had a number of members who have found also that they prefer not only the look but the lower upkeep of the short facial hair. Additionally, as it grows out between clippings, you will actually have both looks in one pup.

This was not a good look for my little ragamuffin.
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This showed his face off much better :)
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#13 ·
it is growing hairs again in the comb. I think this is normal.
What is the clumps?
If you're seeing no more hair in the comb than you might see in your own after combing yours, that is normal.

Clumps of hair would mean more than a normal amount, as if your hair had been caught in something and more than a normal amount is lost at once.

Poodles are a single coat breed. Their coat is essentially hair and will keep growing until it's cut or breaks due to being damaged, just like human hair.

The breeds that shed are called double coated. They have a topcoat and an undercoat which grow to a specific genetically programmed length then shed off.
 
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I comb him every day with a double comb and he is slowly shedding (childish) hair.
To clarify: The puppy hair does not shed. It does not fall out. Poodles do not really shed much at all.

The hair just keeps growing. :)

Slowly each strand of hair changes from soft puppy hair to coarse adult hair. But it’s the same strand of hair.

Your puppy’s hair should not be falling out more than a very small amount. You should not be pulling it out. You can simply cut it off.
 
#16 ·
The change happens on the same hair shaft so it's visible as it grows out. (more photos above
Ok i understand it and i already so down from the straight hair a different hair (seems sure wave and propably carly) so must wait some time more to see these change better


It will take some months to finish the change but as the curl or waviness becomes more visible you'll get a preview.

The straighter puppy hair will need to come off at some point for the curl to shape better.

After my boys adult coat had grown out for about three months we had it clipped off and went from the above to this.
Look if I assume that the baby hair slowly started to come out a few days ago, I think that the process of changing from straight hair to wavy or curly started at 4.5 months, so as time goes by I will see more of the change


His coat is not a best example of a poodle coat. The red/apricots here in the US are often of a looser curl. It was also not quite done changing in this photo.

These next pictures below are from around a year ago, when my boys were nearing 6 years old.

Neo's coat is denser and with a tighter curl than his brother.
Both of them are great, you are very lucky to have them, I hope the whirlwind of the mind turns out to be the same curly


If they get wet or are in humidity, the curls return, just like a human who has curly hair that they try to keep straight
so is it better to let it air dry naturally to have more curly hair? And no hair dryer? What is the process, that is, drying at all with a hair dryer or a little?


If your picture above is current and you are keeping up with the comb through daily or every other day, you could probably hold off for the grooming after this upcoming appointment. You're going to need to let the coat tell you. If you comb through a section, go to another section then come back to the first to find it tangled again already, it's probably time.

I will gently mention that even if you prefer the fuzzyface look, you'll do Albert another kindness by acclimating him to having his face shaved for a while. We've had a number of members who have found also that they prefer not only the look but the lower upkeep of the short facial hair. Additionally, as it grows out between clippings, you will actually have both looks in one pup.

This was not a good look for my little ragamuffin
I have in my mind to leave him until 15-20/11 and then cut his baby hair. Every day until then I will comb him to remove any baby hair that comes out.... I believe I am saying it correctly and I understood correctly. I too would have liked the following haircut on the face and not the shaved nose
Like this
 

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#17 ·
If you're seeing no more hair in the comb than you might see in your own after combing yours, that is normal.

Clumps of hair would mean more than a normal amount, as if your hair had been caught in something and more than a normal amount is lost at once.

Poodles are a single coat breed. Their coat is essentially hair and will keep growing until it's cut or breaks due to being damaged, just like human hair.

The breeds that shed are called double coated. They have a topcoat and an undercoat which grow to a specific genetically programmed length then shed off.
At the present time, the hairs that come out after a combing are few, not many, and this happens every day, i.e. they go away slowly and steadily with the daily combing so i feel is all ok
 
#18 ·
Also, I found mats formed next to the skin and my nice CCbrush just glided over them, despite daily brushing so when I found them it was a2day ordeal to pick them apart and comb them out of her topknot.
Albert currently has no knots in his coat, I take care of it every day
 
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To clarify: The puppy hair does not shed. It does not fall out. Poodles do not really shed much at all.

The hair just keeps growing. :)

Slowly each strand of hair changes from soft puppy hair to coarse adult hair. But it’s the same strand of hair.

Your puppy’s hair should not be falling out more than a very small amount. You should not be pulling it out. You can simply cut it off
Hairs do not fall out at all, just with the daily combing, the comb keeps a few (small, very large amount) hairs, nothing to do with other breeds of dogs that lose all the hair. Only when it was combed did the comb have more hair which I believe is normal. I think it's only a matter of time before it looks nice wavy or curly hair and I hope so
 
#20 ·
is it better to let it air dry naturally to have more curly hair?
Sorry, I wasn't recommending air drying, only demonstrating the difference. Air drying is ok when the coat is short, under 1/2inch, but with anything longer, the hair will start to tangle up because wet hair shrinks, tightening any existing tangles. Blow drying is used, not necessarily to remove the curl from the hair but to help get all the hairs untangled.

The curl will return naturally but keeping it combed thru from the skin out to the tips daily or every other day will keep this from becoming an issue.

I keep my boys pretty short in the warm/hot seasons and could let them air dry but don't. Any longer portions like tail, ears, and topknot still need to be blown out dry with all tangles gone.
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Thank you for your kind words on my boys. I'm rather partial to them 💝.

I too would have liked the following haircut on the face and not the shaved nose
I understand this preference. Many people do. The concern is that learning to accept new things, like having a sharp, buzzing, vibrating machine on their face and body is easier when they are still quite young. If he should need to have his face shaved for an emergency situation the last thing you want to do is add stress to that already panicky situation.

Once they've learned to tolerate this, let it grow if you want. My boys were fired by their professional groomer because they hadn't been acclimated to the process. This was our fault. My husband thought that they were "too young" so although I tried at home to simulate the process. I learned to groom my boys myself because of this.

With my girls before, we'd stretch out the time between professional grooming.
The running joke is that you get a new poodle with every groom.

We'd also joke that their noses grew 2 inches from before to after :).

A day or so after a groom
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A couple of months after a groom
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#21 ·
I have in my mind to leave him until 15-20/11 and then cut his baby hair.
I took my boys in for their first grooming session at about 5 months old. We didn't get fired that day :). Remo was pretty cooperative, Neo wasn't.

What we asked for was a general tidy up, not a short trim. The idea that day was to start the shortening of the coat but not go for the full clip down at that time. We were starting into the cool/cold weather seasons so it seemed a good idea to keep some length but not all.

I'll add a couple of photos after I find them.
 
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Sorry, I wasn't recommending air drying, only demonstrating the difference. Air drying is ok when the coat is short, under 1/2inch, but with anything longer, the hair will start to tangle up because wet hair shrinks, tightening any existing tangles. Blow drying is used, not necessarily to remove the curl from the hair but to help get all the hairs untangled.

The curl will return naturally but keeping it combed thru from the skin out to the tips daily or every other day will keep this from becoming an issue
I understood exactly what you mean and thank you very much for the advice you give me. In order to conclude, you suggest that I cut his baby hair on 15-20/11 at the next appointment with the groomer


I keep my boys pretty short in the warm/hot seasons and could let them air dry but don't. Any longer portions like tail, ears, and topknot still need to be blown out dry with all tangles gone.
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Thank you for your kind words on my boys. I'm rather partial to them 💝.
They are so beautiful hope Albert will be the same


I understand this preference. Many people do. The concern is that learning to accept new things, like having a sharp, buzzing, vibrating machine on their face and body is easier when they are still quite young. If he should need to have his face shaved for an emergency situation the last thing you want to do is add stress to that already panicky situation.

Once they've learned to tolerate this, let it grow if you want. My boys were fired by their professional groomer because they hadn't been acclimated to the process. This was our fault. My husband thought that they were "too young" so although I tried at home to simulate the process. I learned to groom my boys myself because of this.
I understand exactly what you mean about the stress that the electric clipper creates on a dog when something happens and he has to be shaved, so he'd better get used to it from a young age... I'll seriously think about what I'm going to do


With my girls before, we'd stretch out the time between professional grooming.
The running joke is that you get a new poodle with every groom.

We'd also joke that their noses grew 2 inches from before to after :).

A day or so after a groom
So cute an lovely how many poodles you have?
 
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I took my boys in for their first grooming session at about 5 months old. We didn't get fired that day :). Remo was pretty cooperative, Neo wasn't.

What we asked for was a general tidy up, not a short trim. The idea that day was to start the shortening of the coat but not go for the full clip down at that time. We were starting into the cool/cold weather seasons so it seemed a good idea to keep some length but not all.

I'll add a couple of photos after I find them
This is also my thought in about 20 days from now to give him a short haircut so that a lot of baby hair is removed but. because it's winter I'll let him grow back without getting cold... I hope it goes well and he shows up soon from below a curly beautiful hair and it makes me feel more calm that my doll is a real poodle because they make me nervous and a little that it seems to have a little bit bigger ears, I don't know how they look to you...so i wait your pics when you find (an question for something health i saw can o ask here or to open new post) )I found worms in his stool)
 
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In order to conclude, you suggest that I cut his baby hair on 15-20/11 at the next appointment with the groomer
Suggesting in the sense of having a grooming experience if he has not yet been seen at the groomers, to acclimate to the sights, sounds, and smells of a grooming establishment. It should be a short, happy, stress-free visit. First grooming visits as a puppy are generally a short, simple session of the groomer brushing and combing out the pup, then what's called a sanitary trim, also known as Face, Feet, and Tail (FFT) here.

The face doesn't have to be shaved close but it should be trimmed and shaped. The area around the eyes should be trimmed so he can see and be seen. The feet also need to be trimmed, shaved if possible and scissor trimmed if not. The tail portion refers to clearing a small area under the tail, for obvious reasons, and also to trim the underbelly area.

These areas all relate to keeping intake and outgo areas for face and tail clean of debris, and feet for what they may pick up outdoors and track in. It's also to help them to keep their footing by having the pads in direct contact with the ground rather than a layer of hair curling over the bottom of their feet.

Neo wouldn't allow the clipper so the groomer trimmed the bottoms of his feet with scissors. (Clippers can actually be safer for these trims due to unexpected puppy movement at the wrong moment.)
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Using Remo as the model again because he's easier to see.
Before his first trim. Adorable always to me but truly a bit scruffy looking.
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Immediately after his first trim at the grooming salon. He's only been trimmed lightly and shaped a bit by trimming along the lines of his body. His face was shaved as well as his feet and the other mentioned areas.
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A couple of years later I went for the vintage moustache look.
Demonstrating how things collect on the facial hair (and the rest of him).
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So cute an lovely how many poodles you have?
I'd love to have a flock of them, but my limit in the real world is two at a time
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Suggesting in the sense of having a grooming experience if he has not yet been seen at the groomers, to acclimate to the sights, sounds, and smells of a grooming establishment. It should be a short, happy, stress-free visit. First grooming visits as a puppy are generally a short, simple session of the groomer brushing and combing out the pup, then what's called a sanitary trim, also known as Face, Feet, and Tail (FFT) here.
About 10 days ago, he had his first visit to a groomer so that he could start getting used to it... everything went well, Pocky was calm throughout the entire grooming and grooming process (the only thing he didn't like was the air from the hair dryer)


The face doesn't have to be shaved close but it should be trimmed and shaped. The area around the eyes should be trimmed so he can see and be seen. The feet also need to be trimmed, shaved if possible and scissor trimmed if not. The tail portion refers to clearing a small area under the tail, for obvious reasons, and also to trim the underbelly area.

These areas all relate to keeping intake and outgo areas for face and tail clean of debris, and feet for what they may pick up outdoors and track in. It's also to help them to keep their footing by having the pads in direct contact with the ground rather than a layer of hair curling over the bottom of their feet.

Neo wouldn't allow the clipper so the groomer trimmed the bottoms of his feet with scissors. (Clippers can actually be safer for these trims due to unexpected puppy movement at the wrong moment.
Most of these were all done at the aforementioned visit... now in twenty days when the hair will have healed I will cut it a little bit before and I hope it will start. let the curly adult hair fall out (on the legs cut normally with the machine without be afraid)


Immediately after his first trim at the grooming salon. He's only been trimmed lightly and shaped a bit by trimming along the lines of his body. His face was shaved as well as his feet and the other mentioned areas.
That's exactly what I did to mine ten days ago

A couple of years later I went for the vintage moustache look.
Demonstrating how things collect on the facial hair (and the rest of him)
I understand what you mean


I'd love to have a flock of them, but my limit in the real world is two at a time
Hope the best for them ❤
 
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Here is the forum for your health question.
(8) Poodle Health | Poodle Forum
I will make a post there


Albert's ears look fine to me. How much is hair beyond the end of the ear skin?
The hair from the end of the skin is about 2.8-3 cm
Also, I just measured him, he is 28.5cm tall and 4.3kg. So in general, how long should I expect him as an adult? Is there any automatic calculation over the internet? (He was born on 12-06-2023)