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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
Hi,
I got a silver mini female about two weeks ago from a well known breeder in NC. I live in Los Angeles. She is ten weeks on Tuesday . She is so precious and super smart, but she is a puppy. I'm not sure why raising a pup isn't that hard! I have a fourteen old dog, who is tolerating her. I think I am just frustrated.

Any info., words about it'll get easier etc. would be appreciated.

Best,
Julie
 
#2 ·
Raising a puppy isn't easy, most folks forget or don't know that young puppies need 18 to 20 hours of sleep a day and a crazy little things if not rested properly. The first couple weeks are tough, getting them to eat reliably, potty training is tricky.
If you haven't had a poodle before, intelligence doesn't mean easy to train.
And most people forget how much work raising a puppy is.
I have a miniature poodke puppy myself, Nellie is 8 months old and I used her crate and pen as tools to ensure she rested and when she got to be a bit much for me.
 
#4 ·
Have you reached out to the breeder? Most breeders put it in their contract that you must contact them if you have to rehome the dog at any point in their life. And even if they don't have that in their contract they're a great resource to help find a new home.
 
#6 ·
It will get much easier. Did you tell the breeder you have a 14 year old? FYI I have a 11 week old male and a 9 month old female. It’s a lot of work but they are pleasure. Just make sure you don’t let either dog really pick on the other because it’s an unequal playing field if you know what I mean. Also helps to put puppy in an area where she can’t damage things and can’t hurt herself. An exercise pen with lid works for this. We are here to help with any tips and support.
I hate for a puppy to lose a home But contacting the breeder is the the best way/place to start that convo.
 
#8 ·
It will get much easier. Did you tell the breeder you have a 14 year old? FYI I have a 11 week old male and a 9 month old female. It’s a lot of work but they are pleasure. Just make sure you don’t let either dog really pick on the other because it’s an unequal playing field if you know what I mean. Also helps to put puppy in an area where she can’t damage things and can’t hurt herself. An exercise pen with lid works for this. We are here to help with any tips and support.
I hate for a puppy to lose a home But contacting the breeder is the the best way/place to start that convo.
yes. I had a terrible experience with the breeder. He was so inappropriate.

Yes, the breeder doesn't care about my lifestyle or my dog. My older dog has just told the puppy to "chill" out. Totally normal. I do keep her in a pen/crate for her quiet time. I don't let the puppy annoy her too much. My girl sometimes I think my girl likes the dog!

I'm just stressed. I need to just take it one day at a time.
 
#14 ·
My best suggestion is to a) yes, take it one day at a time as you said... sometimes one hour at a time...
And b) use the Search Community bar at the top of the forum page here to search for puppy training, landshark, etc. It is very easy to forget how much work puppies are.

Ian Dunbar has wonderful advice HERE that could be a wonderful re-fresher for you.

This is a great space for supportive feedback and suggestions. I hope you'll stick around and share your baby land shark with us 😄 What did you name her?
 
#20 ·
My best suggestion is to a) yes, take it one day at a time as you said... sometimes one hour at a time...
That is what I told myself when I first brought Phoenix home. I had the puppy blues with Maizie and Frosty for the first few weeks. Those feelings of what did I just do?! Life is changed for the next 10-15 years! I freaked out at times and had visions of returning them. With this guy I don't, probably because he is older and appears to have totally finished teething and doesn't nip me, although he does try to chew on shoes, rugs, bedding, etc. I got bitter apple spray and it is working like a charm.
 
#24 ·
Peggy was totally unconcerned with bitter apple. It was like she didn’t even notice it. Meanwhile us humans were traumatized when we would accidentally touch it and then our mouths!

Puppies bite. It sucks, but it’s normal. They explore the world with their mouths.

Ian Dunbar’s puppy book was a lifesaver when it came to determining what was normal, what wasn’t, and how to cope.

I highly recommend picking up a copy and treating it like a user manual. I have been known to get major puppy blues, but it always helps when I remember I don’t have to reinvent the wheel. A good puppy class really helps, too, as it provides you with a community for commiseration. You go through it all together in real time.
 
#25 ·
Did you raise your 14 year old dog yourself? I ask because when we brought our two miniature poodle brothers home in 2017 it had been over 30 years since I'd last had a puppy and I had totally forgotten the amount of work involved, especially in the first few months after coming home.

Every question or issue that came up, I took to the internet and PF came up frequently as an excellent resource. I was hearing real life experiences from other owners and advice that was very helpful in getting thru the challenges. I actually joined to be able to thank the collective wisdom of PF which kept me from the brink. (Ok, I did go over the edge several times but made it back, all of us in one piece :).)

Everything I'm hearing so far sounds like a completely normal miniature poodle puppy to me. Experience with other breeds, other dogs, doesn't necessarily prepare anyone for a poodle pup.

There's a lot of good information already provided. I'm adding some other resources for you.

The first few months are really labor intensive. If they weren't also so darn cute and sweet and smart...well...they were all that too so we all made it :).

You've been given the Dr. Dunbar link and I'm adding more below.

One of our long-standing members, Liz, has compiled some great resources for owners.

I'll add some quick links and the link to the whole resource.

While You're Waiting for Your New Puppy to Come Home
Whether you are eagerly awaiting the arrival of puppies or have already come home with an adult dog and are wondering what you've gotten yourself into, this is where to start. Between shopping trips for essentials items and puppy-proofing your home, here is some reading to get you in the mindset of life with your new dog:

A Word About Housetraining
A perennial topic, careful management of your new dog's access to space in your house during the first few weeks will prevent dreaded accidents and teach your dog the boundaries of their new home.
(8) Pandemic Puppy Primer | Poodle Forum


Mental stimulation is a priority for poodles. It wears them out just as much as physical exercise.

Routines/schedules help your pup learn what to expect and when. Naps must be included in that schedule (see toddler note below).

An expen is a great management tool for your girl and your family. When a responsible adult is not actively engaged with her for games (aka training), meals, play, exercise, then for her safety and your sanity, pop her in her pen.

Use the Search box for "land shark" and "jumping". As noted keep chew toys handy, in pockets and in easy reach thru the home, to trade out for hands and fingers. The deciduous teeth are needle-sharp but as the adult teeth start coming in, there will be even more chewing, and then after they're in, those teeth are much less sharp and the need to chew becomes more manageable. Teething hurts!

The chew toys and treats are also trades for stolen objects. Don't chase unless it's a dangerous object. That sets all of you up for unwanted behavior. Catch her eye then show her the treat/toy and start to move away. This can be an irresistible draw for her to come to you. There are everyday treats and then there are high-value treats that will almost always get her to attend to you. String cheese, plain white meat chicken are a couple of suggestions.

The "resemblance" to a human toddler has been remarked on more than once and this will likely be thru their whole lives. Poodles stay young at heart for years.

Keep reminding yourself that she is an infant. As a mammal, dogs go thru similar growth phases as human mammals, just at a very different rate, and on 4 legs :). While a human infant would be crawling then toddling for many months, dogs are mobile within weeks. That makes them seem more advanced physically and mentally but it's not really true.

Consider how long it takes a human infant to learn to control their eliminations and why. It's the same for dogs.

It generally takes around 6 months for a dog's neuromuscular system to mature enough to

a/ recognize that they actually have to go - as with any toddler, that urge and the action are often instantaneous
b/ understand that there's acceptable and not-acceptable places to eliminate
c/ understand that they need to communicate their need with the human
d/ be able to hold it until the human figures out that they need to go!

They'll catch on to the concepts earlier but having the physical control depends on the physical maturation. All puppy "accidents" are actually the human's responsibility because all access is dependent on the human. Keep a close eye on her until you learn her signals or until she can clearly communicate her need to you.

Until she matures to that point, "success" is completely dependent on the human being vigilant and proactive. Puppy wakes up? Puppy goes out. Puppy plays? Puppy goes out. Puppy eats or drinks? Puppy goes out. You see the pattern here :)

They are smart, very smart, but don't mistake that as necessarily being the same as "easy to train". Smart for poodles means they THINK.

One of the trickiest things with poodles is how they learn by observing. Many unintended lessons are taught this way.

Poodles are smart, savvy, sensitive, and selfish. They observe, reason, consider and conclude, with more than a bit of "What's in it for me?". They aren't a separate part of your life, they're smack in the middle of it and thrive with that. It's hard to make clear just how "not alone" you'll be with a poodle in your life, not in an unhealthy way for either of you, but because that's what you both sign up for.

"Poodles are Labs with a college education. My Poodle will do anything your Labrador will do. After a day of retrieving in the field, your Lab wants to curl up and snore in front of the fire. My Poodle wants to be a fourth at bridge and tell naughty stories."
Anne Rogers Clark, the famous handler, all breed judge and Poodle breeder.

Furness 1891
The American Book of the Dog (1891)

"....He is also, in my opinion, more susceptible of education than any other member of his race, seeming to have an innate love for tricks, and needing only to understand what you wish to do it immediately, and then enjoy the fun of it as much as you do.

"Yet, notwithstanding his wonderful intelligence, the greatest patience is required in teaching each new trick. Remember that he is even more anxious to understand you than you are to make him comprehend what you wish, and that a word of encouragement or a friendly pat on the head goes ten times as far as a scolding or a blow. At the same time, bear in mind that the greatest firmness is required, for if a dog for a moment suspects that your whole heart and soul are not in the matter, he at once thinks it must be of small consequence and loses all interest in it forthwith.

"Make him think you are both doing something for mutual amusement, and he will respond and do everything in his power to follow out your wishes, provided he is already firmly attached to you; and in this lies the secret of success or failure in all training; for as he cannot understand your language, he must know by heart all your gestures and intonations...."


Poodles believe in equal rights :)

I can't imagine my life without a poodle.

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Your puppy came from Richard Bohannon/Aery so whatever other issues you may have with him as a breeder, you have a well bred puppy. That's a good start.
 
#26 ·
Sleep! Sleep for you and sleep for the puppy. I brought Freddy home nearly 18 months ago to a household of two elderly dogs (Sophy was then 13, Poppy 12 but with chronic liver failure, Tilly-cat 18), and was determined that as getting a puppy was my decision they should not be hassled by him. Poppy Does Not Do Puppies, made that very clear from the first hour, and he quickly learned to leave her alone. Sophy set ground rules - so far and no further - and soon taught me that wild puppies do not need more play and more exercise to tire them out, they need a nap. It was a revelation - looking back the only times Freddy was really difficult (puppy biting, writhing, utterly beyond listening to me) were when he was overstimulated and overtired. Popped into a pen close to the rest of us with a chew and a comfy bed he went out like a light and woke up happy and easy going again. The pen made all the difference - less restrictive than a crate, right next to where I sat and the other dogs snoozed, and gave us all a respite from puppy play. Eventually I replaced the big metal pen with a little pop up one (very useful for travel and moving round the house) and after a while he learned how to unzip the door and let himself out, but by then Sophy's rules about when and how she was prepared to play with him were well established.

Once you have caught up on sleep I recommend, if not already mentioned, this reminder that puppies are babies in a foreign world: Kidnapped From Planet Dog - Whole Dog Journal and this thread of others' experience coping with darling little land shark poodle puppies: Puppy reality

PF is a very active forum - if ever you are at the end of your tether post here and you will get sympathy, support and advice. It can be hugely reassuring to know you don't have to cope alone.
 
#27 ·
Yes they are little teething machines!!! One of mine was like a baby shark and the other was like a snapping turtle when they were babies. Sometimes I just had to hold the toy for them to chew on rather than me . That stage doesn’t last for as long as it seems when you are going through it!!! Keep working toward a predictable schedule of play, rest , and very very short training sessions around the house—sit, down, and later walking a little on leash. Keep calm . I even sang a little bedtime song and still do to signify that time of day. I think they learn to feel secure when you work on a predictable schedule. I had two mini poodle puppies at the same time. I’m sure your puppy will be beautiful and enjoy your routine in time!!!
 
#28 ·
Puppy blues are a real thing. You are not alone in the experience. Some puppies are also harder than others. I had no love for my boy Galen initially. Part of the reason is that I hadn't finished mourning his predecessor, Snarky, when I brought him home. Part of the reason is that that Galen was an obnoxious bitey little pee factory. For the first six months there was never a time I could trust him not to do something destructive if I gave him the opportunity.

I soldiered on and did my best for him. I spent lots of time training him and taking him to classes. Gradually he matured and learned to behave. I'd now say he has turned into the best dog I've ever owned. Those first months of puupyhood were awful, but I really came out with a prize at the end.

A timeline on development. Housebreaking takes until around six months, give or take a few weeks.

The mouthy land shark phase also lasts until around six months. It gets really bad just before the end, because the puppy is learning how to control bite pressure and is also chewing to loosen the teeth.

After getting adult teeth the puppy goes through another chewing phase lasting until a year and perhaps longer. The chewing in thi phase will tend to be be directed at things like shoes and furniture instead of you.
 
#30 ·
I post about my whirling dervish Nellie regularly , I love her dearly but she has been tougher than my toys to train. Nellie was my choice, I wanted her badly and am determined not to let her drive me crazy.

Whoa Nellie... Ms. Nellie Blossom's journal
 
#31 ·
I've had several breeds throughout my life and by far, poodle pups are the most bitey landsharks ever. There's a tyrannosaurus rex gene in them all. Then all of a sudden, you'll stop and realize they haven't nipped for a couple of weeks. They're a bit like the ugly duckling that suddenly turns into a beautiful Swan.
Poodles live for 15+ years which explains why it takes longer before the Swan emerges. My friend has a Saint Bernard and he was a pain in the **** for so much shorter and not to the same extent as our poodles. But a SB lives only approx 8 years.
Keep venting here. We all get it and have lots of different experiences we can offer. Your pup will turn into the most beautiful swan.
 
#35 ·
I've had several breeds throughout my life and by far, poodle pups are the most bitey landsharks ever. There's a tyrannosaurus rex gene in them all.
Haha, you are so funny, Minie! But I loved your post because it's so true. Frosty gave me probably the worst dog bite I've ever had when he was a landshark. My fingers were ravaged, and I had a huge, painful bruise. And Frosty is the sweetest, most gentle boy! But he bit me accidentally when trying to grab a toy.
 
#32 ·
I’m sure you’ll be okay and in the long run greatly reward with love! Puppies as babies are the rough to get a Routine down, teaching right from wrong but it is usually the toughest jobs that are the most rewarding 🤗 routine is the keyword you know if you give water about 15-20 later you got to change the diaper/ walk the puppy with a sweet “ want to go to the bathroom, Outside!” 🤗 the more you play/ stimulate your body and mind, the more they’ll sleep … take the time to look into that little puppy face/ eyes to see just how much they love and rely on you… you’ll feel so great!
It puts things back into perspective.
And be sure to give updates and photos❤
 
#34 · (Edited)
Raising to little lovable horrors at present, they have a cardboard box FULL of toys and things they are allowed to play with(no old shoes), including their favourite chewable toothbrushes, each time they were attacking something they weren't meant to have, placed them in front of their box of toys. Helped them stop chewing on me. Now they pull the box to the middle of the floor and completely empty it. We have half a day at doggy daycare once a week for socialization and they are a little quieter for a couple days. Found they have to be stimulated, we go for a a decent walk 5 days a week and they are angels on the lead, being out there doing something - (one wouldn't go near a lead at first, left the lead on her for half an hour took her to the park and she has walked since). And most importantly they need their down time in their crate otherwise they get over tired and forget when to stop which is massively exhausting. Spent years doing dog training but poodle puppies are something else - finding that stop button
 
#36 ·
Hang in there, it gets better! Six months was the turning point for us, and it was all worth it!

Here is a pic of Gracie’s x pen set up. I used those soft interlocking pads as a base, the same ones people use for kids, in gyms, etc. Not in the pic, but I also would put her crate in there with a sheet over it so she had a den like place to retreat to.
Don’t bother with any nice beds yet, she’ll just rip it up or pee on it. I used old towels as a cushion in the crate and the soft interlocking pads provide cushioning.

Start looking for a puppy training class. It’s helpful for training but also for moral suppport.

Sorry the breeder wasn’t helpful. Aery is a respected line so you can take comfort n the fact that you have a well bred pup, and that’s huge!
Can’t wait to see pics!

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#39 ·
Sounds like a puppy to me. :) I follow Ian Dunbar’s advice to always have a toy within reach to redirect to. These should be toys of all shapes, sizes, and textures. Animate them to make them interesting. Reward redirection with play.

If you haven’t read his book yet, I’d highly recommend it. It’s an easy read and the advice for navigating these days is invaluable. Every interaction you have is teaching this smart little poodle puppy something about the world.
 
#40 ·
Besides offering an acceptable toy to bite, I also suggest you tap (not hit) the puppy on the nose and say firmly: "no bites!". Puppies who are separated from their mom and littermates too early did not get lessons from them about not biting - not biting hard, that is. You are going to have to take on the role of momma dog and siblings to teach that puppy the rules.