[ArreauStandardPoodle]

I am the breeder of Marialydia's boy Pericles. I breed mostly reds and apricots. My Mom began breeding under the Cherod prefix in 1962 when I was between six and seven. Because of this I have lived with every solid colour that there is. I can tell you, that if only stable parents are bred, and a puppy is reared right in it's breeder's environment, and is given the same parameters regardless of colour, a Poodle is a Poodle is a Poodle. Within a litter some puppies are more assertive, some more laid back, some middle of the road, but that is the same of all colours. My light apricot Pearl has made every Poodle hater she has ever encountered fall in love. She is the easiest, sweetest bitch I have ever known.

 

[Countryboy]

I am the breeder of Marialydia's boy Pericles. I breed mostly reds and apricots. My Mom began breeding under the Cherod prefix in 1962 when I was between six and seven. Because of this I have lived with every solid colour that there is. I can tell you, that if only stable parents are bred, and a puppy is reared right in it's breeder's environment, and is given the same parameters regardless of colour, a Poodle is a Poodle is a Poodle. Within a litter some puppies are more assertive, some more laid back, some middle of the road, but that is the same of all colours. My light apricot Pearl has made every Poodle hater she has ever encountered fall in love. She is the easiest, sweetest bitch I have ever known.

Well done! Spoken like a true redhead.

All we need is NOLA in here defending the colour too.

 

[glorybeecosta]

I have has 5 black, 1white and now 2 red (who have faded out) all have been raised the same by me and all have more or less same personalities. Loving sweet, well trained and easy to train. The good about the light ones easier to see when grooming, I have a hard time grooming the black ones. Depending on their build they are all beautiful dogs not matter what color .

 

[Coldbrew]

Hmm. Even though there are two posters here with personal experience, there has to be a reason you keep hearing what you're hearing. I mean, im sure the people aren't just making it up.

Perhaps you missed the most probable explanation for the myth in my post. I'll admit it wasn't worded explicitly.

People think apricots (or whatever color) are bad tempered because unethical breeders capitalize on the popularity of the color to sell their dogs. In an effort to produce more colorful dogs, they neglect to take temperament into account. They choose a poor tempered apricot stud over a well tempered black stud because the apricot will give them the color they want. With temperament ignored, the ill tempered apricot puppies will grow into dogs that themselves have poor tempers. It's not tied to the color at all, but rather to the breeding practices.

A similar situation can be seen in the more recent fad colors: phantom, brindle, sable, agouti, and even parti. There are some lovely multicolored poodles but there are so many more that are terribly ugly dogs with 'nice color' as their only redeeming quality.

 

[ApricotsRock]

I have to throw in my two cents...I have had a white, a black and now we have an apricot. Hands down sweetest love bug is the apricot. Then the black and lastly the white. He is also the best bred, however. And different stages of our lives, we had the white in our early 20s (let's go!) and the apricot in our mid 40s (let's nap).

 

[Siskojan]

I have a blue brindle and a black but it was the sweetest apricot girl you could ever hope to meet who changed my mind about poodles 10 years ago.

 

[Johanna]

Color and temperament

I think there is some relationship between color and temperament. In a litter of black and brown spoos the blacks are the "solid citizens" and the browns tend to be a bit silly. Whites tend to be more active than blacks. Apricots and browns tend to be very "soft". Of course, these are generalizations. Individual temperaments vary across a wide range.

While I mostly bred blacks, we did get other colors from one of our dogs.

 

[PixieSis]

I have had two apricots and two reds and all of them have been wonderful pets. They all have their unique personalities but none have been "crazy"!!!!

 

[forest]

Great point, Millie. Your personal handling of the puppy/dog means a lot / is a significant indicator of how the dog will behave.

Genetics are most important of course, and are inherited along with color, but yep! Next most important is that.

I disagree. Conditioning/handling/environment is more important.

Actually, there are multiple case studies and literally thousands of individual cases that show this.

 

[Red lippy mel]

I understand within some dog breeds colour is definitive of temperament. For example: solid red pure breed cocker spaniels can have "fits of rage" syndrome. A beautiful well behaved cocker can in an instant have a fit. They can and do lash out, biting attacking anyone or thing in sight. It's a true mental blackout-you can't snap them out of it.
Once it's over the dog returns to a completely normal state.
Many believe as with human epilepsy the dog doesn't remember or realise they have had a fit or realise they have lashed out or hurt/harmed anyone/thing.
But from what I understand this was only a red cocker spaniel trait.
And that being said, my brother and his family rescued two solid red English cockers from a puppy farm and even though they are still a work in progress they have never in two years displayed any fits of rage. Thank goodness!!
Inherited traits aside-I believe animals are like children. You train them in their youth to be the human/animal you want as an adult.
Taking into account their individual personalities and tailoring training to suit.

 

[Beautiful Blue]

"I believe animals are like children. You train them in their youth to be the human/animal you want as an adult.
Taking into account their individual personalities and tailoring training to suit.[/QUOTE]

Ahh, would that it were so... and so simple. We loving parents would have it made in the shade.

I was just talking to my grandson about similar...and how the famous Minnesota Twin Family Study (of identical and fraternal twins separated at birth) highlighted the undeniable affect of genetic makeup.

 

[blueroan]

This is like the "chestnut mare" sydrome lol!!!! A lot of people think chestnut mares are totally unstable but I think it has more to do with it being a MARE, not the colour. People tend to forget that we don't spay mares so we have the hormones to deal with...in a 1000+lb animal...eek!!

Anyway, back to the poodles...I have had 2 now, an apricot and a fiery red. The apricot boy was so loving and sweet. My current red girl is wonderful to be around. She is shy outside, mainly because she missed out on socialization but once she gets to know you, she is the friendliest, silliest thing around. Love my redheads!!

 

[Beautiful Blue]

And I may be wrong, but haven't "apricot" poodles been around
for ages !? Well-bred, and for the right reasons, for many generations.

It is the red that is a more recent development. And by recent, I mean 30 years ! LOL

 

[galofpink]

I understand within some dog breeds colour is definitive of temperament. For example: solid red pure breed cocker spaniels can have "fits of rage" syndrome. A beautiful well behaved cocker can in an instant have a fit. They can and do lash out, biting attacking anyone or thing in sight. It's a true mental blackout-you can't snap them out of it.
Once it's over the dog returns to a completely normal state.
Many believe as with human epilepsy the dog doesn't remember or realise they have had a fit or realise they have lashed out or hurt/harmed anyone/thing.
But from what I understand this was only a red cocker spaniel trait.
And that being said, my brother and his family rescued two solid red English cockers from a puppy farm and even though they are still a work in progress they have never in two years displayed any fits of rage. Thank goodness!!
Inherited traits aside-I believe animals are like children. You train them in their youth to be the human/animal you want as an adult.
Taking into account their individual personalities and tailoring training to suit.

This link indicates that there may be an association of "rage syndrome" with golden and red cockers, but all colours may experience it.
CSC/Cocker Questions/Rage Syndrome

Here's a more general look at "rage syndrome", indicating multiple breeds may be predisposed: https://www.doglistener.co.uk/aggression/cocker_rage.shtml

Springers are one breed that can also experience "rage syndrome", which has been coined "springer rage". We had a field line springer growing up; us kids could do anything to that dog but he wouldn't fight back and he protected us kids fiercely. One day my mom went to give him a heartworm (or something) pill in a hot dog. He all of a sudden started snapping and biting and barking and growling and basically backed her into a corner. She called the vet to come to the house and put him down right away. He was "possessed " and she couldn't get him to calm. Springer rage? Actually no, when the vet was returning his medical file to my mom, he took a quick look through it. Brandon had gotten a stick lodged in his eye socket a couple (few?) years prior (eye was not damaged and the stick stopped right before it hit his brain), so they had a set of xrays. The vet found a small brain tumor (easily miss-able if you were worried about getting a stick out of a poor dogs head), and reasoned that it had finally grown big enough to hit the optic nerve (cause delusions) and hit something else to cause the aggression. Without that xray though, that would have went down as "springer rage". Interesting thing with "springer rage" it is (almost?) always reported in show/conformation lines, not field lines. So what has been bred into show lines or bred out to make it more prevalent? Or is it that field lines are generally working dogs that have been raised with a purpose that allows them to be more temperamentally stable? No clue. But being a field spaniel is not the cause for lack of rage, it is the genetics thatare behind that classification of "field" that are actually producing the lack of rage. Apply the same thought process to colour. Note a lot of poor breeding occured when cockers became popular for a while which meant a lot of subpar animals were produced just to make money. Those were trendy colours, which would make the trendy coloured pets poorer caliber and lead people to think that those trendy colours had poor temperaments (like many other breeds).

Either way you can make some assumptions that colour causes certain things. I personally think a puppy is a blank slate and that the environmental factors you expose it to will be more important for temperament determination than anything such as colour (causation). However, colour may have a correlation (not causation) with temperment traits given a certain genetic pool will be related to that colour. Important to remember that just because there is a relationship (or correlation) between two factors it doesn't mean that one factor actually causes the other.

 

[fergi]

I have heard from multiple people that black Poodles have the most stable temperaments, followed by white/silver/brown, and that reds and I assume apricots are "crazy."
I was thinking of getting an apricot but I'm apprehensive. The breeder is good, from what I've read here. If a breeder specializes in reds and apricots, is it still the case that the dog will be unstable? That's the last thing i want after my experience with my last dog.

I will say this I have had 2 black poodles, one parti , 2 white/creams one apricot and I just bought a red poodle in April. She is now 7 months old. With all this being said , my apricot I had years ago was a very odd poodle. She was not extremely affectionate. Now here comes little red and she seems the same!!! I swear it isn’t a coincidence lol. All my other poodles love me they’re very happy wagging their tails but this one rarely wags her tail and she usually runs from me. I’ve treated them all the same and I keep trying to spend extra time with her hoping she will eventually change. With all this being said I would not buy another red or apricot poodle. I’ll stick to the blacks or whites

 

[Jbean]

Red haired people have hot tempers, red poodles are unstable, chestnut horses are temperamental — it's an old belief, but there’s no reason to believe that any of that is true.

As a natural blonde who has heard all of the "dumb blonde" jokes, I'm of the opinion that skin and hair color have no effect at all on temperament or intelligence.

 

[Jh poodle joy]

As Teddy is an apricot of course I am biased, but I have also had brown (cafe au lait?) and Black (blue?). What I think makes more difference is gender....girls love you boys are in love with you....and how the pup was socialised.

If anything being from a small litter, and in a environment where there was only one litter I think he was handled (grabbed?) too much and not introduced to enough, therefore it took a while for him to find his feet and understand he could choose to come to us (not in a recall sense) and choose to leave, and importantly, for us to understand his personality differed from our previous poodles

If in doubt his go to is still to stand back and consider, but this, I think is more nurture than nature