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I was on a breeder's list since last year. I waited through 2 litters and at the last minute, the breeder informed me, that, despite all the discussion and emails about what I wanted in a puppy, she allowed other people on the list to reserve by color, leaving me with a dog that was basically, the leftover because I hadn't specified a color. I would not have done so because I don't think that matters, as I specifically sought a breeder that only breeds for certain colors anyway. There is one color that I do not want but this breeder doesn't breed hat color.
I had specifically contacted her on the day the puppies were born to make sure that she was NOT going to assign puppies that way and stated that if she was, to please let me know so that I could look elsewhere. Of course, she did not do that. So, here I am again, without a puppy and having to start looking for other breeders and waiting on other lists.

Because it is mu intention to participate in agility, rally, etc, waiting another year for a dog, is like another 3 years because dogs have to be 2 before they can participate in sports. I understand, it's for the benefit of their health. However, that doesn't help me. I know they're few and far between but does anybody know of breeders who may have adult Standards available? The only problem is the dogs would have to be able tolerate cats because I watch my brother's cats from time to time. I have tried rescues and came up with nothing.
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Mish, I think there were some leads for breeders/dogs on the other thread you posted not long ago. Sounds like there are a lot of people here who want to help but need to know a location. I wish you luck...I know you can find what you are looking for..
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I would recommend you go back to your other thread that you started and then vanished into thin air. People were trying to help you there but you were unresponsive to their inquiries or comments. Best to stick with people on that other thread than starting new ones...I think that would be more efficient in helping you find a dog.:)
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Because it is mu intention to participate in agility, rally, etc, waiting another year for a dog, is like another 3 years because dogs have to be 2 before they can participate in sports. I understand, it's for the benefit of their health. .
Just a little correction--you can start rally as well as agility foundation work when your dog is a puppy. For FCAT, dogs have to be at least a year old, and I know nothing about agility, but you could definitely do a lot of work before your dog is of competing age.

ETA: If you think finding a puppy is hard, chances of finding a nice adult spoo are about 1/100. So I'd focus on a pup.
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I was on a breeder's list since last year. I waited through 2 litters and at the last minute, the breeder informed me, that, despite all the discussion and emails about what I wanted in a puppy, she allowed other people on the list to reserve by color, leaving me with a dog that was basically, the leftover because I hadn't specified a color. I would not have done so because I don't think that matters, as I specifically sought a breeder that only breeds for certain colors anyway. There is one color that I do not want but this breeder doesn't breed hat color.
I had specifically contacted her on the day the puppies were born to make sure that she was NOT going to assign puppies that way and stated that if she was, to please let me know so that I could look elsewhere. Of course, she did not do that. So, here I am again, without a puppy and having to start looking for other breeders and waiting on other lists.

Because it is mu intention to participate in agility, rally, etc, waiting another year for a dog, is like another 3 years because dogs have to be 2 before they can participate in sports. I understand, it's for the benefit of their health. However, that doesn't help me. I know they're few and far between but does anybody know of breeders who may have adult Standards available? The only problem is the dogs would have to be able tolerate cats because I watch my brother's cats from time to time. I have tried rescues and came up with nothing.

That is not a rule and only really matters for agility. Javelin got his rally novice title before he turned one. I say this mostly for the benefit of the broad audience since I have given you recommendations and I am not really sure what the problems with finding a puppy are for you.
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Minarets Poodles has a 6 mo male poodle that has been trained to compete in rally. Check out the following link.

Teenage and Adult Dogs Available for Placement on Poodles Online.com
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Wow, nice rally titles on both parents of that pup!! Maizie has Minaret's in her pedigree.
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I’ll contact the breeder in WY. As far as anything else, I’d have to get back on yet, another list, probably for next year. Then, again, there’s no guarantee that I’d get a puppy. I was guaranteed a puppy from the list I was on, just not the right puppy. That is, not one that was selected for the right reasons.
I’m tired if going through all this, being disappointed and having to wait a whole year again. I have tried shelters and rescues even to find a dog that isn’t a Poodle but most of the dogs within 3 states of where I live are Pot Bulls.
I was on a breeder's list since last year. I waited through 2 litters and at the last minute, the breeder informed me, that, despite all the discussion and emails about what I wanted in a puppy, she allowed other people on the list to reserve by color, leaving me with a dog that was basically, the leftover because I hadn't specified a color. I would not have done so because I don't think that matters, as I specifically sought a breeder that only breeds for certain colors anyway. There is one color that I do not want but this breeder doesn't breed hat color.
I had specifically contacted her on the day the puppies were born to make sure that she was NOT going to assign puppies that way and stated that if she was, to please let me know so that I could look elsewhere. Of course, she did not do that. So, here I am again, without a puppy and having to start looking for other breeders and waiting on other lists.

Because it is mu intention to participate in agility, rally, etc, waiting another year for a dog, is like another 3 years because dogs have to be 2 before they can participate in sports. I understand, it's for the benefit of their health. However, that doesn't help me. I know they're few and far between but does anybody know of breeders who may have adult Standards available? The only problem is the dogs would have to be able tolerate cats because I watch my brother's cats from time to time. I have tried rescues and came up with nothing.

That is not a rule and only really matters for agility. Javelin got his rally novice title before he turned one. I say this mostly for the benefit of the broad audience since I have given you recommendations and I am not really sure what the problems with finding a puppy are for you.
As far as the breeder you recommended, I honestly did not get the impression that the breeder would be easy to deal with. It didn’t seem like the breeder would be the type to be understanding of my situation, as far as not being able to go there in person. I didn’t feel that I would have a good chance of getting a dog from her. That’s just the impression that I got. I want to feel comfortable with the breeder and be able to contact him/her if I have questions.
As far as my part of the country, I’ve exhausted everybody on the list of PCA breeders that health test.
This is what I’m looking for

This is what I’m looking for: a breeder who does minimal vaccinations, doesn’t get offended by being asked a lot of questions, doesn’t do a lot of inbreeding, has performance titles in the pedigree, is active with the breed, performs, at least, all the testing required by PCA, doesn’t breed to dogs or the offspring of dogs that had some type of major illness, doesn’t have a problem with me possibly not being there myself to pick up the dog, doesn’t take deposits that won’t be returned if there is no puppy available that is compatible, chooses puppies based on personality not color, socializes the puppies to some extent so that they are well adjusted when they go to the new owners, and preferably, has dogs that are not black. Originally, I was looking for breeders who raised dogs more naturally, without using chemicals and who feed raw but I can see that that’s too much to ask.
As far as the breeder you recommended, I honestly did not get the impression that the breeder would be easy to deal with. It didn’t seem like the breeder would be the type to be understanding of my situation, as far as not being able to go there in person. I didn’t feel that I would have a good chance of getting a dog from her. That’s just the impression that I got. I want to feel comfortable with the breeder and be able to contact him/her if I have questions.
As far as my part of the country, I’ve exhausted everybody on the list of PCA breeders that health test.

One of Javelin's sisters lives in Maine. They met her the day they picked her up. So I don't have a clue about why you got the impression that she would be difficult to deal with unless you seemed to be looking for a unicorn. Of course you should feel comfortable with the person from whom you get a puppy. However my experience with Madela was very very pleasant. I was initially 2nd on the list for a boy when we made an agreement in late March. Color wasn't an issue since it was an all black litter coming. Between then and pick day the first person had decided to wait for a later litter so I was first on the list and Javelin came home with us in July. We talked on the phone a couple of times, but also did a fair amount of emailing.
I don't claim to be a psychiatrist or anything but methinks deep down inside, subconsciously it might be possible that you really might not want a poodle. Maybe in the back of your mind, it all seems too over whelming. (?) I could be dead wrong of course. And I wouldn't blame you one bit for being cautious. However, your expectations of a breeder, to me are bordering the unreasonable. You shoot down peoples' suggestions who are trying to help or give some reason they won't work or what's wrong with the suggestion...defaulting to the negative it seems. You don't say what state you live in (unless I missed it) so no one can suggest a breeder. I can come up with loads of very fine breeders in my state of Washington. I could get a poodle in a heart beat if I wanted one. I like Farthing/Sovereign poodles in Eatonville Wa. I like Lakeridge in Renton. Those people would have leads to more puppies. Sovereign (same as Farthing) has a white 6 month old male poodle available now.https://www.farthingpoodles.com/nursery/ Does she do few vaccinations? I doubt it. Does she feed raw? I don't know but I kind of doubt it. Does she want to meet prospective buyers? Yes. I would have no problem with that. You should, if at all possible...if the breeder is in your state go meet them, look over their facility, check them out as well as they should be asking you some questions too. I find it difficult to believe that Washington state is the only state that has some stellar breeders with puppies on their way or already available.

So, you have to get on a waiting list perhaps? That's the name of the game. I went on a couple, one after the other when looking for my Doberman. And it took me a while to find a good breeder in my area for my toy poodles because I didn't know of any...was new to poodles. But once I found my breeder, I got not one, but TWO poodles. Other well bred purebred dogs I've gotten in the past...no problems hooking up. So if I didn't have much trouble and most of the people on this forum, for instance didn't have too much trouble or an inordinate amount of waiting, what do you suppose is the reason you are the rarity here? How long have you been looking? Maybe it would behoove you to take a step back and try to look at this from an especially objective view. Just finding fault with the breeders isn't going to get you anywhere. They're not going to care what you think. Let's face it. There has to be some logical reason why this isn't working that you get a poodle. It is not that there aren't enough good breeders. I don't think they're all unreasonable people who won't work with buyers or no one here would have a poodle either. And they'd all be poodle hoarders being arrested because they didn't sell a single puppy.:act-up:

Another thing you might consider is thanking people here who are bending over backwards to try to help you. This way their helpful behavior won't extinguish from lack of a positive response. You give no information as to the state you live in...don't want to answer that question. (unless I missed it, which is entirely possible) So no one can point you to a breeder near you or help you research the breeder. Maybe I missed that.

The only thing you seem to not be overly particular about is color. That's a good thing. Maybe it would help to loosen some of your other criteria. Forget what they're eating. If they're a good breeder, no doubt their dogs are thriving and surviving just fine. Following a typical vaccination protocol when you want less? So do less later. For now...deal with it. I did. Most people here did. My breeder was good but feeding a food I thought looked like sh!!. I changed their food when I brought them home. They're just fine at almost 6 years old. Oh and you better believe it that I went to look this place over and met the breeder. Multiple times. And then picked them up. Naturally breeders want to know how their puppies will be taken care of and who is buying them. I know some don't scrutinize that carefully or sometimes they ship them. But if possible, I think it's really nifty to go see them. Naturally they'll be receptive to questions put to them as well as long as you're polite and don't come off as too demanding or entitled. If not, then they're not good breeders. Most breeders I talked to prior to getting my puppies were glad to answer my questions which were limited to genetic health testing, longevity of their ancestors, what they did die of, what type and amount of socialization they have received up to now...brief description. Any grooming practice? I did not ask that they limit their vaccinations or that they feed a certain food. That might be insulting and it's just not necessary. OR plausible. Most breeders will vaccinate their puppies because things like parvo are incredibly deadly. You can limit that later on if you so choose. So if you really want a puppy or adult dog, you really should be able to find one. But you might have to bend a little. Good luck.;)
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I don't claim to be a psychiatrist or anything but methinks deep down inside, subconsciously it might be possible that you really might not want a poodle. Maybe in the back of your mind, it all seems too over whelming. (?) I could be dead wrong of course. And I wouldn't blame you one bit for being cautious. However, your expectations of a breeder, to me are bordering the unreasonable. You shoot down peoples' suggestions who are trying to help or give some reason they won't work or what's wrong with the suggestion...defaulting to the negative it seems. You don't say what state you live in (unless I missed it) so no one can suggest a breeder. I can come up with loads of very fine breeders in my state of Washington. I could get a poodle in a heart beat if I wanted one. I like Farthing/Sovereign poodles in Eatonville Wa. I like Lakeridge in Renton. Those people would have leads to more puppies. Sovereign (same as Farthing) has a white 6 month old male poodle available now.https://www.farthingpoodles.com/nursery/ Does she do few vaccinations? I doubt it. Does she feed raw? I don't know but I kind of doubt it. Does she want to meet prospective buyers? Yes. I would have no problem with that. You should, if at all possible...if the breeder is in your state go meet them, look over their facility, check them out as well as they should be asking you some questions too. I find it difficult to believe that Washington state is the only state that has some stellar breeders with puppies on their way or already available.

So, you have to get on a waiting list perhaps? That's the name of the game. I went on a couple, one after the other when looking for my Doberman. And it took me a while to find a good breeder in my area for my toy poodles. But once I found my breeder, I got not one, but TWO poodles. Other well bred purebred dogs I've gotten in the past...no problems hooking up. So if I didn't have much trouble and most of the people on this forum, for instance didn't have too much trouble or an inordinate amount of waiting, what do you suppose is the reason you are the rarity here? How long have you been looking? Maybe it would behoove you to take a step back and try to look at this from an especially objective view. Just finding fault with the breeders isn't going to get you anywhere. They're not going to care what you think. Let's face it. There has to be some logical reason why this isn't working that you get a poodle. It is not that there aren't enough good breeders. I don't think they're all unreasonable people who won't work with buyers or no one here would have a poodle either. And they'd all be poodle hoarders being arrested because they didn't sell a single puppy.


Another thing you might consider is thanking people here who are bending over backwards to try to help you. This way their helpful behavior won't extinguish from lack of a positive response. You give no information as to the state you live in...don't want to answer that question. (unless I missed it, which is entirely possible) So no one can point you to a breeder near you or help you research the breeder. Maybe I missed that.

The only thing you seem to not be overly particular about is color. That's a good thing. Maybe it would help to loosen some of your other criteria. Forget what they're eating. If they're a good breeder, no doubt their dogs are thriving and surviving just fine. Following a typical vaccination protocol when you want less? So do less later. For now...deal with it. I did. Most people here did. My breeder was good but feeding a food I thought looked like sh!!. I changed their food when I brought them home. They're just fine at almost 6 years old. Oh and you better believe it that I went to look this place over and met the breeder. Multiple times. And then picked them up. Naturally breeders want to know how their puppies will be taken care of and who is buying them. I know some don't scrutinize that carefully or sometimes they ship them. But if possible, I think it's really nifty to go see them. Naturally they'll be receptive to questions put to them as well as long as you're polite and don't come off as too demanding or entitled. If not, then they're not good breeders. Most breeders I talked to prior to getting my puppies were glad to answer my questions which were limited to genetic health testing, longevity of their ancestors, what they did die of, what type and amount of socialization they have received up to now...brief description. Any grooming practice? I did not ask that they limit their vaccinations or that they feed a certain food. That might be insulting and it's just not necessary. OR plausible. Most breeders will vaccinate their puppies because things like parvo are incredibly deadly. You can limit that later on if you so choose. So if you really want a puppy or adult dog, you really should be able to find one. But you might have to bend a little. Good luck.

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Most of the breeders I have spoken to are only doing minimal vaccinations now. I have read a lot about health issues in dogs in general and there are things that I won’t compromise on. I’m flexible about the food. The only color i’d prefer not to have is black. Have you ever read Pukka s Promise? He found a dog and his criteria were stricter than mine. I cannot fly and there are no breeders in my area who do all the health testing. I mentioned I’ve already been through the pca referral list. So, it is not likely that i’ll be able to visit or possibly even be there myself to pick up the puppy. That’s just the way it is for me. I’ve explained all of this before. That’s a problem because if a breeder requires it, then obviously, I cannot deal with that breeder. Poodles don’t grow on trees here. There may be breeders but I’ve either already tried dealing with them or they don’t health test. I have mentioned before that I’m in the Midatlantic refion and I also mentioned that I went out of my way to try getting dogs from local breeders who even use the vet I used with my previous dogs and they won’t sell me a dog because they didn’t like that I asked a lot of health questions.
If I were a breeder, I would not be insulted by questions from prospective owners. If I did, it would be because ai had something to hide. I would rather sell to people who had questions to ask because they were informed, than sell to people who don’t ask because they are too ignorant to have any questions. I know it’s easier to be on the other side and to be judgmental. I have sat through waiting lists. I was refused a dog last year because ai couldn’t pick it up. That had nothing to so with a mental block against getting a dog. This last time, the breeder wasn’t up front with me about her policies. Again, nothing I could control. This is not a hobby for me. It’s stressful and frustrating waiting and watching the puppies develop , then time after time not getting one.
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vOh and you better believe it that I went to look this place over and met the breeder. Multiple times. And then picked them up. Naturally breeders want to know how their puppies will be taken care of and who is buying them. I know some don't scrutinize that carefully or sometimes they ship them. But if possible, I think it's really nifty to go see them.
Great advice, Pb. I definitely think it is preferable to meet the breeder and pup in person first, but sometimes that is not possible. Maizie was shipped to me sight unseen because it would have been nearly impossible for me to travel to Utah at that time. Her breeder made an exception for me, as she usually never ships. I think Mish mentioned she may have a disability of some sort that prohibits her from traveling?
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It sounds like an impossible situation then and you've exhausted all possibilities. I'm really sorry. Maybe a rescue dog or another breed? Maybe MF's breeder or someone she knows would ship you a puppy too Mish? It all sounds very frustrating.
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If I were a breeder, I would not be insulted by questions from prospective owners.
Which states does the Mid-Atlantic area include? I don't know my geography too well.

A good breeder will not be insulted by reasonable questions.
I have to have a non/low shedding “hypoallergenic” breed. I don’t want a PWD or a terrier of any kind and I don’t want a small dog. I even tried Doodles but the waiting lists are ridiculous. I’ve tried rescues and there’s nothing. I got on these waiting lists because I anticipated getting a puppy. I’ve wasted three years and nothing. Getting a dog shouldn’t be this stressful.
Are you able to pay $2,000-$3,000? That is what it will cost to have a quality poodle shipped.
I have to have a non/low shedding “hypoallergenic” breed. I don’t want a PWD or a terrier of any kind and I don’t want a small dog. I even tried Doodles but the waiting lists are ridiculous. I’ve tried rescues and there’s nothing. I got on these waiting lists because I anticipated getting a puppy. I’ve wasted three years and nothing. Getting a dog shouldn’t be this stressful.

No, it shouldn't be that stressful. I see...so you need a hypoallergenic dogs. I don't know how hard it is to get but I like a well bred standard Schnauzer. They're not very big though. I've known several that were very, very nice dogs. I don't know if they're hypoallergenic but I don't believe they shed. hmmm.

Well, if you can't travel and there are no good breeders in your town and there's not a one who will ship to you...I don't know what else to say. I have heard of breeders shipping but I don't know of any personally. Maybe someone else will...maybe MF's breeder will or knows someone.
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No, it shouldn't be that stressful. I see...so you need a hypoallergenic dogs. I don't know how hard it is to get but I like a well bred standard Schnauzer. They're not very big though. I've known several that were very, very nice dogs. I don't know if they're hypoallergenic but I don't believe they shed. hmmm.
Really?? Every Schnauzer I meet is barky as heck. You are correct that they are hypoallergenic and non-shedding :D
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