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We got Ruby Wednesday, she has been great as far as not messing in the house, the first night she peed in her kennel, Saturday she peed on the carpet. Wednesday and Thursday I took her out every 30 mins, she was peeing everytime, but only a small bit (probably b/c she was out every 30 mins lol). Friday I took her every hour, Saturday I slowed down a bit and just watched her, yesterday I slowed down even more and again just watched her. She will go to the door, but the door is in a different part of the house and until I get the x-ray vision skill I cannot see her through the walls. I keep her in whatever room I am in again blocking off the access to the door.

I have been taking her everytime she wakes up or after she has just eaten, she seems to defy the puppy rule though and doesn't poop just after a feed, usually 3 or 4 hrs after.

She will be 12 weeks old tomorrow:

How long should she be able to hold it?

Am I delaying the entire process not waiting for her to show cues and just taking her out?

I want to teach her to ring a bell to let me know but I have daycare kids and can serioulsy see me running to the door to let her out, only to find that some small person has rung it instead, this will end up being a game with the kids and lead tomore frustration for me lol.

Quincy (my crested) just gives me that stare, and he will continue to stare at you until you ask him "want out" at which time he will bounce around and you let him out. If I could get Ruby to give me that stare I would be happy with that. I didn't teach him that though he just started doing that on his own and i guess it works for him so why change it lol.

Ruby will never have free run of the house like Quincy does, for the simple fact that I am not sure she will leave the parrot alone. She hasn't noticed him at this point but its not something I want to chance, for her own safety, my grey has a big beak and he could some real damage to Ruby if he chose to. (no he isn't mean or viscious but he does like to be the boss and often makes Quincy move from the sunny window because he wants the sun too).

So any advice or tips yu can give me would be great, I don't remember when Quincy became realiable in house training, I just know that he will not mess in the house.

The other question is, Ruby will not go when she is on teh leash, she just won't. We walked and walked yesterday and she never went but as soon as I took the leash off in the yard she peed. Is there a way to teach her that even on the leash she can go?
I think with her its that she likes to play in the snow, which is fine since she does do her buisness as well, but if she is leashed she just won't go.

ETA: Should also say that she does go all night 9-6, without any mess in the crate, except that first night where she peed once.
 

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A good rule of thumb to dtermine how long a puppy can hold it is to take their age in months and add one, up to 6 or 8 I think. Doesn't work for overnight, since your dog is sleeping they can hold it longer then.

Anyway, you are right on track to keep her with you in whatever room you are in. Thats exactly as it should be until you can trust her. If you're not watching her then you can see her signals.

Which brings me to the question about her "telling you" she needs to go out. I think everyone has probably had a dog in the past that had some sort of obvious singal that they needed to potty such as going to the door, whinning, or barking, or whatever... The fact is though most dog DON'T do any of these or do something so subtle that you miss it. Jazz tends to get kind of restless but she doesn't whine or go to the door.

What I do is to keep my dogs on a bit of a schedual. The puppy is given the chance to go potty every hour or every other hour depending on what she has been doining. You can pretty well predict when a young puppy is likely to need to "go" so you wont have to look for something like going to the door. Puppies most often need to eliminate shortly after meals, after waking up from a nap, and after they have been playing. Keep on eye more on what your puppy is doing and you should be ok since you will know if she has just eaten or just had a nap. Other than that watch her specific body lingo. My momma calls it a busy nose when she see's a puppy sniffing around for a place to potty inside. She used to yell at me, "LEIA!!, Wonder's nose is busy, you better take her out!" LoL.

As for going on a leash, I had that problem, (and still have it to some extent) with Jazz. I adopted Jazz this past october and she was already 3 years old. Apparently she had never gone potty on a leash?? Anyway, it became a problem when my obedience class started back after the holidays. I was taking Jazz to work, and then going straight to the facility here I teach. I have a long line that I use for training, it's a 20 foot leash that is used to teaching come when called. I took Jazz's gentle leader off and clipped that leash to her collar. I guess she liked being far away when she pottied? It worked the very first time I tried it. Over the last 6 weeks or so I've been using it at the dog park, and before obedience class and I get closer each time we go. Last week I forgot my gear bag and so didn't have my long line. I tried Jazz on her regular 4 foot leash and she pee'd :) LoL, I was so excited, guess it doesn't take much LoL. Anyway I will add that so far she will not poo on lead, she holds it till we get home or until she is offlead at the park. I haven't figured that one out yet.
 

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We stick to a schedule with our girls - up in the morning, out for a pee - 10.00am 15 minute road walk to poo and pee - lunch time, the garden - 4.00pm up the meadows for free play and the usuall toileting - 8.00pm garden, 11.30pm garden. When Inca was a puppy and also when we first got Coco (she was already 3) we watched them carefully and if they were playing, eating or sleeping, we relaxed, when they woke up or started sniffing around or wandering round the rooms, then they went outside. In the main, this regime worked but there are always accidents. Before Coco was spayed, for a week before her season, she was dirty in her bed and around the house but the vet put this down to a touch of colitis (which has never reoccurred since she has been spayed and doesn't have seasons).
 

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I usually take a puppy out about once per hr or 1.5 hrs. If they are starting to sniff around and its been awhile since the last potty break then out we go. I only have one dog (Lotus-Pit Bull) that tells me she needs to go out (she growls/barks-doggie talk) and all the other's I just know when to take them out.

Sting is my youngest now 5 months but I brought him home at 12 weeks. Of course he had a few accidents but usually its because I lost track of time or just wasn't paying attention to him sniffing around. If I couldn't watch him closely then he would get crated to avoid any accidents. Sting has now been potty trained for just about a month so I can't complain. Ive been super lucky that since the day I brought Sting home, he's never pee'd or pooped in his crate either. I couldn't ask for more. Your's will get it, it just takes some time. Some dogs take more and some less. Good luck!
 
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