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My spoo Princess has a couple things going on that I’m wondering about. She seems to be tripping a lot more lately. Just walking across the carpet she will trip. Not fall just trip as if she’s not picking her paw up enough. Been seeing this for a few months. Also noticed her front legs quiver. At first it was just her left leg and lately she does it with both legs. She’s going to the vet tomorrow for peeing while asleep. I wonder if somehow those symptoms could be related
 

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I highly doubt those issues are connected. Ask the vet!

I understand asking about things like health concerns on the forum, but many times think that just getting to the vet sooner than later is the better way to go.
 
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Frequent urination and muscle weakness were two early symptoms of Cushing's in my girl. But, together or separately, they could be symptoms of countless conditions.

Let us know what your vet has to say. Hoping it's a clear diagnosis and easily treatable. It's so hard not knowing what's wrong. :(
 

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Thank you both for your perspective. Her muscle control/tripping continues after her recent diagnosis of incontinence. She has been started on a synthetic hormone which is concerning to me. I will be trying to learn more about not only the long term affects of taking this hormone but also her tripping issues. Cushings is something I need to learn more about.
 

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Thank you both for your perspective. Her muscle control/tripping continues after her recent diagnosis of incontinence. She has been started on a synthetic hormone which is concerning to me. I will be trying to learn more about not only the long term affects of taking this hormone but also her tripping issues. Cushings is something I need to learn more about.
Was she spayed? Occasionally ‘fixed’ dogs will have hormones completely drop later in life, causing all sorts of havoc, which is why the vet will prescribe said hormones. Although I don’t know if they have anything to do with muscle control. I’d look into Cushing’s like you’re doing, just in case.
 

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"Hormone-responsive incontinence occurs in neutered dogs of both sexes and occasionally in spayed female cats but occurs most commonly in female dogs. The pet can urinate normally, but they leak urine while resting. Physical examination and blood and urine tests are usually normal in these pets."

But bloodwork and a urine test are still required to rule out other conditions.


It sounds like you may need to keep pushing for a proper diagnosis. There's little reason to assume this is the case for your girl, but Gracie's Cushing's first revealed itself with mildly elevated liver enzymes.
 

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(Hair loss and a pot belly were the more obvious signs, followed by cognitive decline and frequent accidents. But I believe her diagnosis in some ways interfered with our vet's objectivity, so that her eventual heart failure flew under the radar until it was beyond treatment. Overlapping symptoms were attributed solely to Cushing's.)
 

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Yes she was spayed but not until she was almost 4 years old. Much food for thought here but I agree blood work seems like a must.
 

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Poppy is on steroids, which have Cushings-like side effects. Night urine leakage was an early one, (resolved with a lower dose and as she got accustomed to them), together with increased thirst, shaky legs and loss of muscle; pot belly and thinning coat came a little later. I would push for blood tests - spay incontinence is a common problem and therefore a likely diagnosis, but there are enough other things going on that I would want reassurance and confirmation that was all it is.
 

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Poppy is on steroids, which have Cushings-like side effects. Night urine leakage was an early one, (resolved with a lower dose and as she got accustomed to them), together with increased thirst, shaky legs and loss of muscle; pot belly and thinning coat came a little later. I would push for blood tests - spay incontinence is a common problem and therefore a likely diagnosis, but there are enough other things going on that I would want reassurance and confirmation that was all it is.
Couldn’t agree more
 

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@jcris, Sorry you're going thru this. I have a few questions.

1) Is Princess still showing extreme sensitivity in her face and bottom when touched as she did back in January or has this disappeared? And is Belle still showing signs of anxiety or dementia? Are they siblings?

2) If you pursued this, what are the brand names of the fish oil and CBD oils you use, and how much/often are they given this? On this I would want to rule out recalls for those products in case there have been bad reports. (This is a long shot, but some of these symptoms in both dogs remind me of lead poisoning.)

3) Is Princess's recent stumbling always in her front two legs, or have you seen any tripping due to stumbling from her rear two legs? Did your vet do "the knuckling test"?

If not, try this now. You fold your dog's foot under, like in this photo:

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If your dog doesn't respond by putting it's paw back in place, it means the nerve signal from the foot is not making its way to the brain, and is indicative that something is going on neurologically. DM typically begins in the back legs, not the front. You can learn more about that from this vet in this video.

You can also save money on at least one lab fee by first ruling out Degenerative Myelopathy (DM) here for $58 if the vet charges more for this. It's a saliva swab test and you can take the results to a vet neurology specialist, but there are other types of tests (xray, MRI or blood work) to rule out other conditions including inflammation or infection, which you can learn about on this other video.

I truly hope these suggestions help and that whatever is going on is reversible or can at least be slowed down.
 

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Hello Vita,
To answer your questions:
Princess sensitivety remains intermittent. I’m very cautious about how I show her affection. No the girls are not siblings. I’m always comparing how each reacts to any changes. Belle has been better lately regarding dementia but I’m around less because I’ve taken a part time job. I just hate leaving them alone for 8 hours but they seem to be adjusting. I’m not sure I am though.
I used Grizzly brand salmon oil for about a month with no decernable difference. I should probably continue that as 1 month doesn’t seem enough to affect any real change. I don’t use CBD on the girls. Princess only stumbles on her front legs I have not done the knuckling test but will today. I’m going to watch the video and look at the link you sent now.
I will update as I know more.
thank you so very much
 

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Just watched the videos and I’m overwhelmed. Several of the symptoms for IVDD mentioned by dr Becker were spot on. I will be learning more and hopefully figure out how to proceed.
thanks again Vita
 

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Did the knuckling test twice, once when they were at the park during their play time and again this evening when she was lazing about the house. Both times she immediately put her foot back. I need to test Belle also
 
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