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This is my public education message for the day...

Did you know that a type of toe cancer called Squamous Cell Carcinoma (SCC) is a health concern in Black Standard Poodles? Standard Poodles along with Giant Schnauzers get this form of cancer at much higher rates than the general dog population.

The good news is that if caught early, this cancer can be stopped through amputation of the toe. Allowed to spread, however, and it is fatal.

So what does that mean for the owner of a Black Standard Poodle? I like to say that it is like living with an older Diabetic. SHOES AND SOCKS OFF!!!! Black Standard Poodle feet need to be kept shaved clean and the feet need to be inspected regularly. Any infection in the toe or nail bed means an immediate trip to the vet.

Here is some information about it:
http://home.cogeco.ca/~anessa-ava/scc.htm
 

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That's very interesting CBrand. It's funny you mention it, as I know one of the mini breeder's I spoke to also has standards and one of hers had toe cancer. I had never heard of such a thing and so wondered if it was a problem in poodles.

Do they have any idea why this is such a problem in black standards specifically?
 

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Does it affect browns as wells as blacks?
Elphie is a really dark brown almost black, but in the right light shes brown
 

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Thanks for the information cbrand. We keep the boys feet hairy, but were thinking of having them shaved as they are tracking in a lot of dirt. Now I have an even better reason to shave their feet (even if one is cream :p).
 

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Holy cow, the x-rays of those feet are awful, you can see the swelling/tumor in the pictures too. I'll be grooming my own poodle, so if I get a black one I'll be looking at the feet ALL the time when I do clean feet. Thanks for the info cbrand!

If the cancer does start to spread up the leg, could amputating the whole leg save the dog? Some relatives of some friends of mine had this done to their lab, probably saving his life. I don't think it is the same cancer, but maybe the treatment could be similiar?
 

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Generally the reason this cancer is so deadly is that by the time you find it, it has already spread. It usually spreads to the lungs or another major organ, so removing the whole leg wouldnt help.

For some reason, it is connected with the black gene (black labs are also very high on the list).

Thanks Carol for posting this! It is a very serious (deadly) disease that we need to be educated about!
 

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Scary stuff, as if there aren't enough genetic problems with poodles as it is.
I know right? There's this dog bible at my work and I look through it when we're having a down time. It lists all the known health problems with the breeds, the standard poodle has a ton! But one thing that caught my eye is under the barbet, is said none known! The lists for other dogs wasn't nearly as high.

Love comes at a cost for these dogs.
 

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It really does. I wonder why a barbet that looks like a poodle has no known health issues? Didn't they have to breed a poodle back in there some where?
 

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It's possible that the Barbet breeders haven't put the time and money into research that Poodle breeders have. I've yet to find another breed that has all the available resources, like PHR, that Poodles do. It's amazing!
 

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It's possible that the Barbet breeders haven't put the time and money into research that Poodle breeders have. I've yet to find another breed that has all the available resources, like PHR, that Poodles do. It's amazing!
But on the flip side of the coin, poodles might have it because of all the health problems.:eek:hwell:
 

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My neighbor's black spoo girl got that : (((. It was caught early and she only lost one toe and is doing great , thanks God !!!

I did not know that it is a "black poodle" thing though :scared:- how scary : ((

Geezzzz, maybe I should buy a white than :rolffleyes:
 

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My friend's black female spoo had it a year and a half ago, but it was caught early and she is doing great. Her toe was removed, but you could never tell as she still runs like the wind. I am not sure she knows she is missing one of her toes.
 

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My friend's black female spoo had it a year and a half ago, but it was caught early and she is doing great. Her toe was removed, but you could never tell as she still runs like the wind. I am not sure she knows she is missing one of her toes.
Poodles are very stoic animals, they live through the pain, and they won't put on a soccer player act lol
 

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I knew a black giant schnauzer who had to have his toe amputated from it too... he didn't care after it was done either! lol
 

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I lost my giant schnauzer Vixen to toe cancer in June '08. She was only three years old. We had amputated the affected toe on her hind foot in February and the vet really believed it hadn't spread. In June I came home one Saturday to find her covered in blood with a huge wound on her shoulder. There had been a fatty tumor there and it burst. Still not clear on why the fatty tumor burst but vet feels that once there is cancer in the body in will root itself somewhere. We rushed her to the emergency vet and they took lung x-rays and found cancer.

We had to euthanize her that day. It was a complete shock because her foot had healed and her behavior was completely normal and active.
I don't think I've ever cried so hard in my life, so unfair. We miss her terribly.

I've had many smart dogs in my life, having had german shepherds then my giants. Vixen was hands down the smartest dog I ever had the privledge to share my home with. She was very human and loving. My husband and sons still talk about her every day, as do I. It was such a sad end for her and us.

I hope none of you or my giant schnauzer friends ever have a dog affected by this. We did everything medically possible and still lost a wonderful dog.

Please keep a close eye on nails, nail beds and toe pads.

Kathy
 

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what are the signs for it?
should a groomer or vet be able to spot it quickly?
or is it something that I should just look for when doing Elphies nails?
 

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Wow Kathy... how awfully tragic and very sad. I know that she will always remain in your heart. Losing them so young and suddenly is very different and hard to deal with. I'm really sorry.

And someone asked if a groomer would spot it out... I've never seen it but I would think absolutely. They are shaving paws and seeing everything close to the nails. If you see anything abnormal, don't wait and have it checked right away.
 

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I found something wrong with my client's giant and mini schnauzer few years ago,and it was toe cancer.
And both had their toe amputated.
giant passed away shortly after ( she was quite old then ) but mini is still doing ok,
It's been 2yrs at least, I just groom him yesterday:)
 

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If I see a lump on a dog, I'll point it out to the owner, or wounds, or anything abnormal when I groom dogs. If a foot was looking odd I'd ask the owner about it either when I'm calling them to tell them their dogs done, or when they pick their dog up, just in case they already know about it and my call comes in as bothersome.

You wouldn't believe how many times you have to tell someone that their dog has a bad ear infection and needs to go to the vet and they just shrug it off and continue on with their merry day. I groomed a cocker not too long ago, his feet should have been white, but were discolored from scratching his ears and licking his toes. His ears were oozing pus and blood and were so swollen that I doubt he could hear well. Does that sound healthy?

Please trust people that are around animals if they say there might be something wrong with your animal, something that sounds so simple can go downhill really fast. Pets can even die from ear infections.

Lots of times when I point out a tumor, the owners will just tell me that the vet said it is a harmless fatty tumor. What are these caused by, and are they seriously harmless?
 
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