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(I'm so sorry if I put this in the wrong place, I'm new.)

Ever since my dog was at least 3 months old, his nictitating membrane in both of his eyes have been visible... and they have been causing him some irritation due to them frequently getting infected. (Yellow discharge and the third eyelids themselves becoming very red and inflamed)

I have taken Zael to his vet multiple times over this issue and talked to two different vets along with several veterinary nurses, and all anyone can tell me about it is "It's probably allergies" without even stopping to try and help me figure out what kind of allergies it could be. They seem happy to just treat his symptoms as opposed to curing the cause.
They've given me overpriced allergy tablets that do nothing and these steroid eye-drops twice in a row that last about a month... but without fail once they run out within 3 days his third eyelids are back to being weep-y and bright red.

It's really frustrating and upsetting me as I honestly feel I am failing him and his health by not sorting this problem out asap.

I've ruled out it being something in my home as I believe he would have had a bad reaction sooner rather than 3 months down the line if that was the case.
I've also ruled out it being related to his food as his diet hasn't changed since he was a pup. He's still on the same kibble his breeder put him on once he was able to take solid food (and he didn't have any eye issues back them, nether did his parents or siblings). Also I've stopped giving him treats to try and see if that helped... no dice. I now just have a sad, treat-less, sore eyed puppy lol.

I'm going back to the vet on Monday to make a fuss once again about his eyes and trying to ask them what can be done to help him... even if it means an operation.
But before that I wanted to ask all of you here reading this if any of you have had experience with a dog with exposed third eyelids before and if you did, how did you sort it out? was it all okay in the end? Did your vet give you a name for the condition? etc.

Thank you for any advice.
 

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I should also stress that if I've completely gotten the situation wrong and that their is, in fact, nothing wrong with my dogs third eyelid being constantly out then I would very much like to hear that.
If I've been worrying about nothing all this time, then it's better I know... Even if I will be horribly embarrassed lol. :embarrassed2:

I guess I'm just paranoid since he's so young and I've never had to deal with eye problems before... not even with my last dog of 16 years.
 

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The development of alergic reactions.

It IS possible that it is something in your home or the dogs environment that is causing this continued problem. Allergic reactions begin with the first contact with the allergen. The first contact will most often produce no symptoms. subsequent contact will produce gradually worsening symptoms with each contact. There must be some allergen causing this problem. When treated the symptoms are ameliorated. Once treatment stops the allergen causes the reoccurrence of symptoms. You really have only two options. Remove the allergen from contact with the dog or continue treatment indefinitely. Consider insecticides, deodorants, pollens, plants, soaps and cleaning agents. I hope you can find a solution. Search for a vet who specializes in allergies.
 
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The photos don't look abnormal to me, but if they're getting infected, then something's wrong. Hopefully the vet will be more thoughtful on Monday.
 

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I agree that allergies can take some time to develop - I would think more about what may be causing the problem. I would also want to be very sure that the vets have investigated for ingrowing lashes/hairs, blocked tear ducts, or anything else that may be causing inflammation. Is he still teething? That can cause weepy eyes, and if he is prone to showing his nictitating membrane it could be exacerbating it.

What month did it start? Was it unusually hot/cold/humid? What was in flower - trees, grasses, flowers? Did anything at all change in terms of cleaning, decorating, furnishings, perfume, soap, etc, etc? What can you cut out - enzyme washing powders, spray cleaners (try white vinegar instead), spray polish, air fresheners, etc may all cause problems. A member here recently realised that her dog's long standing stomach problems were caused by the canine dental paste she was using - tiny things can have big effects.

I hope you find the cause and a solution - the repeated infections would worry me, too.
 

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Can you possible have your pups eyes checked by an optomologist? This could determine whether there is an actual eye problem, if there is not then you would pretty much know its allergies. I think average vets don't initially want to send you for expensive tests and will look at allergy symptoms if nothing is obvious to them.
 

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Thank you all for the replies and suggestions, sorry it took me so long to notice... I was sound asleep. (Different timezone can be a real pain.)

I'll look into the products I'm using in my home, though in truth I already don't use that many...
Maybe my deodorant is the issue, Zael is my little shadow and when I'm getting ready for the day he's right behind me. He always ends up in the way no matter where I try to spray it. I'll switch to a roll-on for a while and hope for the best. Fingers cross the vet has some more info available for me tomorrow, or at least a reference for an allergy specialist.
 

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I agree that allergies can take some time to develop - I would think more about what may be causing the problem. I would also want to be very sure that the vets have investigated for ingrowing lashes/hairs, blocked tear ducts, or anything else that may be causing inflammation. Is he still teething? That can cause weepy eyes, and if he is prone to showing his nictitating membrane it could be exacerbating it.

What month did it start? Was it unusually hot/cold/humid? What was in flower - trees, grasses, flowers? Did anything at all change in terms of cleaning, decorating, furnishings, perfume, soap, etc, etc? What can you cut out - enzyme washing powders, spray cleaners (try white vinegar instead), spray polish, air fresheners, etc may all cause problems. A member here recently realised that her dog's long standing stomach problems were caused by the canine dental paste she was using - tiny things can have big effects.

I hope you find the cause and a solution - the repeated infections would worry me, too.
The first thing my vet done was check for damage to his eye, I've been told they seem to be perfectly healthy... but what you said about his tear-duct got to me, his nose has been dripping and leaking a lot too and I believe that's one of the symptoms of a blocked tear duct. I'll bring that up to my vet tomorrow. He's also stopped teething and has all his adult teeth now... been that way since he was 6 months.

As for what month it started, it all began in March. Right as spring started and everything began pollinating, trees, grass, flowers, fungi... you name it.
I'd never realised a dog could perhaps have allergies to natural things... I kind of always assumed it would be unnatural man-made stuff that would effect them. Oh dear, the list gets longer.
 

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Many of my poodles and nonpoodles have had seasonal allergies. Pollen and human dander (!!!) are common allergens for dogs. Sneezing, drippy eyes, and face rubbing were the usual symptoms. My dogs have always done well with cheap OTC antihistamines.

Two of my poodles have also had fluff around the eyes that causes irritation while the other two had hair that didn't seem so determined to get into their eyes. The trick there has been to keep all the excess foliage cropped back out of the way. I also flush eyes with sterile "artificial tears" after trimming faces.
 

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The pollen count in the Northern UK has been sky high of late, as I know only too well. I would ask your vet about using a children's anti-histamine syrup if he is going to need a lot of it - check that it does not contain xylitol, of course, but it may be an economical way to buy exactly the same active ingredients, and can be given with a syringe to get the right dosage.
 
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Cold Tea

I leaned a tip from a much older person than I who would not be alive today. with eye problems "use cold black tea as an eye wash twice a day" It has worked for me with many dogs over time and is worth a try.
 
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Hey everyone, I'm posting from my phone so please put up with any spelling mistakes I make.

I thought I'd give you all an update as to what my vet said/found out.
She's sticking to the firm belief that it's allergies from outdoors (e.g- pollen.).
We flushed his eyes and checked for damage or foreign objects under his lids, nothing, he's in good health in that regard.

We also found out his tearducts are working correctly, which is good.

She has told me that because of Zael's age (8 months) and the fact he's going through puberty right now that all we can really do is wait and see if the winter makes his symptoms go away. The vet also informed me that there's a small chance he might outgrow his allergies because of his age. So yay I guess?

We're still going to be getting the same eye drops as before for treating any infections he might collect while we wait, it's called Maxitrol Eye Drops. It works well when he's on it but I'm a bit worried about using a steroid for the long-term.

Anyway thank you all for the help, I hope this helps someone else.
 

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Just seeing them and them being slightly red is not an issue per se. I would invest the time to go see a veterinary ophthalmologist - they are the only ones who can truly tell if it is an issue or not. My Dalmatian had very prominent 3rd eyelids all his life - completely normal and not irritated although they looked pinkish-redish. Will attach pic so you can see.
 

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My poodle does the same. More so in the right eye. He's been checked by my vet that said allergies. Zyrtec and Claritin did nothing to resolve the problem. I took Opie to a AKC show where there was a ophthalmologist checking eyes. She dilated eyes and didn't see any abnormalities but suggested he have a tear production test and may need his tear ducts flushed. She was not able to do the testing at the show. She was from the University of Tenn. I am getting Opie checked again this Thursday by another vet and may have to go to UT if she doesn't find anything. Opie's eyes clear up when I use a very warm wash towel and clean his face and hold the it to his eye for a some time. And sometimes they are clear on their own. I have researched and researched. The only other thing I can maybe think it is would be distichiasis. You can look this up.
 

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Hey guys, a ophthalmologist isn't on the table yet according to the vet. She'd like to wait until he's officially an adult and his hormones have all calmed down. She kind of suggested to me that all this eye issues could also perhaps be the result of all the biological changes he's undergoing at this age. I guess time will tell, allergies, puberty or something else... just gotta wait it out.

@Moni - Thank you for showing me your Dalmatian, that is almost the spitting image of Zael's own eyes. If it turns out like your dog then I'd be very happy, I can live with crazy eyes so long as my dogs not uncomfortable. :)

@ericwd9 - I'm familiar with the tea trick, I use it for my own eyes and it always worked good for me... but I tried it with my boy maybe a month ago for about 3 days. Nothing seemed to change. He just smelt of tea, hehe.
I stopped once he realised a teabag was heading his way and started to pull out of my grip and panic.
 

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Opie had his eye exam Aug 7. He does have slight entropian bottom lid on right eye. Surgery is scheduled for Sept 10 2019. Will keep you updated on progress
Oh good luck then, I hope it all turn out well for both of you.
 
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