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Rio is 4 months old. I noticed a while ago he has a pretty big over bite. His lower canines have made dents in the roof of his mouth, he got his upper and lower front teeth in, and the over bite is still as severe as it was with his baby teeth. Do they loose their canines as well??

I am also concerned about one of his upper canines that has been chipped, it looks like almost half of it is GONE! After paying closer attention, it looks like when he chews he might have problems on that side with his canines bumping into each other??

Hope this all makes sense. Do we need to see a vet?? Is there a possibility that it still might correct some?

Checking a dogs "bite" was never something I would have thought of!
 

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i can't comment on if he needs to see a vet etc, but i can say that yes, their baby canines do fall out and are replaced by adult ones that are twice as thick and generally much blunter, but also bigger in general... I guess if he doesn't have all his adult teeth yet a vet would probably want to wait until they are all in (molars etc too) before thinking of doing anything.
 

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Overbite as puppy often means overbite as adult. When the adult canines come in, the most important thing to is that the lower canines flare out so that they do not poke into the gums. If they look like they are coming in narrow, you can push on them a little every day to get them to flare. Once in place, they will hold themselves in place.

Ideally, the lower canines would be in front of the upper ones, but if your Poodle has an overbite, the upper ones might be coming in in the wrong place. I don't know what to do about that.

Lots of vets want to pull baby teeth, but I think this is problematic. When you start pulling teeth then the adult teeth tend to come in wrong.
 

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Overbite as puppy often means overbite as adult. When the adult canines come in, the most important thing to is that the lower canines flare out so that they do not poke into the gums. If they look like they are coming in narrow, you can push on them a little every day to get them to flare. Once in place, they will hold themselves in place.

Ideally, the lower canines would be in front of the upper ones, but if your Poodle has an overbite, the upper ones might be coming in in the wrong place. I don't know what to do about that.

Lots of vets want to pull baby teeth, but I think this is problematic. When you start pulling teeth then the adult teeth tend to come in wrong.
Thanks, good info. I think his lower canines (the baby ones) are just slightly in front, but not by much. On one side they are almost directly straight with the upper canines. That might the problem with him chewing and making that grinding sound! (eeks, like nails on a chalkboard to me!)
 

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I am sorry to hear that and yes - now you see why I am insisting in getting a puppy with correct bite : (((.

I really dislike when people dismiss the possible problems wrong bite can cause in dog's life !!! It can cause painful conditions and difficulty with chewing :smow:

My friend who had a puppy with slight overbite was told to wait for permanent teeth to come in and hope for the best . Well, "the best" ended up being braces and 2000$ out of the pocket and miserable dog in that period : (.

So, yes, your vet would probably advise you to wait for permanent teeth to see if it corrects itself *sigh but I would go to see a vet anyway. Maybe he can explain to you that technique that Cbrand mentioned and you might help his teeth fall in place perhaps.

Wishing you best of luck !!!!
 

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Yes, wishing I had found this site prior to dog hunting. It's not something that occurred to me! After hearing people on here talk about the correct bite, I had to see if Rio's bite was normal, NOPE! I'm hoping for the best, though it is ( I think) a very large overbite, after looking at what a normal bite should be like.
 

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You know - maybe it will not correct itself completely but would at least position teeth in a way that they do not hit each other or the palate : ((

Do not blame yourself for not knowing - you see, I know but still can not find a breeder who would promise me a puppy with a correct bite !

Some days I wonder if I know "too much" for my own good :doh:
 

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wishpoo;68799]Do not blame yourself for not knowing - you see, I know but still can not find a breeder who would promise me a puppy with a correct bite !

Some days I wonder if I know "too much" for my own good :doh:
That's because only a fool or an ignorant breeder of Standard Poodles would do so. Upper and lower jaws grow at different rates, and sometimes baby teeth need to be pulled to prevent misalignment. Sometimes, if it's not caught early enough, braces are required for a time to correct the bite.
 

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Rio is 4 months old. I noticed a while ago he has a pretty big over bite. His lower canines have made dents in the roof of his mouth, he got his upper and lower front teeth in, and the over bite is still as severe as it was with his baby teeth. Do they loose their canines as well??

I am also concerned about one of his upper canines that has been chipped, it looks like almost half of it is GONE! After paying closer attention, it looks like when he chews he might have problems on that side with his canines bumping into each other??

Hope this all makes sense. Do we need to see a vet?? Is there a possibility that it still might correct some?

Checking a dogs "bite" was never something I would have thought of!

Don't feel bad; lots of people don't. The time to see a vet is now, and you probably need to see a specialist.
 

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That's because only a fool or an ignorant breeder of Standard Poodles would do so.
Are you implying that all reputable breeders here who agreed that puppy should have a correct bite are "ignorant fools " ????????????????????????:doh:
 

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you see, I know but still can not find a breeder who would promise me a puppy with a correct bite !

Huh? Why not? Are you saying that every breeder you've spoken with are breeding dogs with bad bites? How can that be?
I'm going to investigate that a bit with some other groups of mine. That is just too odd. Now mini's... that doesn't surprise me a whole lot. Are you talking mini's or standards?
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No - what I am saying is that some that I contacted lately got very antsy about that . Of course they get pups with correct bite, but they get some with off-bite too. So when they ask for non-refundable deposit and than I say fine- than can you promise me a puppy with this and that - they get uncomfortable. They have no idea how big the litter will be and what they will get and the best will go to show homes so for a pet buyer off-bite is "reserved" - it seems .

There are definitely breeders out there that have superb breeding stock and have most pups correct in all those basic things - but again - those go to show homes and other breeders.

AND , as you could hear from Frostandfires - even show people get a "cat in a bag" sometimes ...

PS: I do not talk "to every breeder" - I contacted a few that looked "top quality" and that is what happened with the 2 of them
 

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Some days I wonder if I know "too much" for my own good :doh:
Sometimes I feel the same way. Before I got my Havanese, I looked at Maltese. If you think poodles are expensive, you ain't seen nothing! ;) From a reputable breeders (at the time I was looking) males started at $1,500 but mostly $2,000 and females started at $3,000!!!! Because Maltese litters are so small, most reputable breeders would sit on their females and if you did get one, a lot of times the pigment would be off or not complete. The underbites and even bites are really common, as are loose patellas. Oh and did I mention that most of them don't do much in the way of health testing!!!! Even the Maltese Club of America doesn't recommend any testing on their website. And this is in the breed that is second only to Yorkies in liver shunts and liver disease. They also don't OFA the patellas. Oh and did I mention that when I asked for health testing and health guarantee most breeders didn't even return my emails. After that I decided that the Havanese was a much better way to go.

So yes, sometimes I think we do know too much.
 

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Thanks Poodle Lover :hug: - it is nice to know that one is not alone or is imagining stuff :smow: I took so much time to learn about poodles so I would be a "responsible buyer" just to find out that it is almost disadvantage :wacko:

I just refuse to be a "dump site" and to be honest - I think about going with perhaps another breed also. I like Irish Water Spaniel a lot : ))) !!!!

Hopefully we will meet one day at one of the local shows finally LOL
 

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Thanks Poodle Lover :hug: - it is nice to know that one is not alone or is imagining stuff :smow: I took so much time to learn about poodles so I would be a "responsible buyer" just to find out that it is almost disadvantage :wacko:

I just refuse to be a "dump site" and to be honest - I think about going with perhaps another breed also. I like Irish Water Spaniel a lot : ))) !!!!

Hopefully we will meet one day at one of the local shows finally LOL
Oh no Wishpoo!!!! Don't you dare give up on spoos!!!! I won't let you!!! I personally know a couple of Irish Water Spaniels and they are nice, pretty dogs, but they are no poodles.

I hope we can meet at one of the local dog shows and have fun looking at spoos.
 

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sheesh

That's because only a fool or an ignorant breeder of Standard Poodles would do so. Upper and lower jaws grow at different rates, and sometimes baby teeth need to be pulled to prevent misalignment. Sometimes, if it's not caught early enough, braces are required for a time to correct the bite.
Why is it *someone* always has to get uppity and snotty when it comes to believing they know more than others?

My pup has an overbite, severe, and I checked BOTH HER PARENTS and neither had one, and the breeder stated it was not in the genetic line. There is no guarantee about bites. Most puppy contracts specifically state this.

It just seems to me that there are breeder WARS going on out there, with one breeder always accusing another of being substandard. Sometimes these things just happen. It's called LIFE.
 

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Why is it *someone* always has to get uppity and snotty when it comes to believing they know more than others?

My pup has an overbite, severe, and I checked BOTH HER PARENTS and neither had one, and the breeder stated it was not in the genetic line. There is no guarantee about bites. Most puppy contracts specifically state this.

It just seems to me that there are breeder WARS going on out there, with one breeder always accusing another of being substandard. Sometimes these things just happen. It's called LIFE.
1. This thread is more than a year and a half old.

2. You misunderstood what poodleholic was saying. She was saying that only a fool or ignorant breeder would guarantee that a buyer would get a puppy with a perfect bite because you just never know. This is exactly what you are saying. So you agree! :)
 

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1. This thread is more than a year and a half old.

2. You misunderstood what poodleholic was saying. She was saying that only a fool or ignorant breeder would guarantee that a buyer would get a puppy with a perfect bite because you just never know. This is exactly what you are saying. So you agree! :)
You're right, and my apologies.
 

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We had this problem with Jasper. His lower canines (adult teeth) were pointing straight up and were making little holes in the roof of his mouth (Unilateral Base Narrow Canines).

We took him to see 2 different vet dental specialists. The first guy told us that it would be a $1,700 procedure to have an Incline Plane put in. We decided to take him for a second opinion and the 2nd doc said to give it some time as his teeth were still growing and we could do some "ball work" with him. We liked to try that option rather than just diving in and spending $1,700.

What ball work entailed is each night we would have him put a small ball in his mouth (not too small where he can swallow but small enough to fit between his canine teeth or at least push on them) and we would play tug with the ball. My DH would also just grab his lower canine's and gently pull on them.

We did this for about two months and the flared out and he is fine as can be. And we never had to spend a butt load of money.

So, please get second opinions as there are less expensive fixes and things to try before going through the pain of all the incline planes, braces, or surgeries. Plus, you have time to see how things pan out with his adult teeth. And they move, so you can work them. Good luck!
 
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