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Trying to find what triggers the itch is definitely a process. I hope you can figure out things soon. Agree with twyla that Apoquel won’t help if the itching is caused by food allergies or intolerances. But from experience here, Apoquel doesn’t work for all dogs with environmental allergies. If you determine that it’s not food related and possibly environmental
Cytopoint is something you could discuss. Bobby has bad seasonal allergies in the fall. It’s temporary thank goodness. The Cytopoint, a shot that works up to 6 weeks, really helped Bobby get through this fall. The Apoquel didn’t work at all for him this year. Is it allergy season where you live? It still is here but it is winding down. A hard freeze is a gift to allergy sufferers. Of course it could be food related and it’s good to look into that but because of the time of year and the fact the owners said she didn’t have itching problems before it makes me wonder if it’s environmental and maybe wait until the allergy season is over and if there is still a problem, then explore the food? Ruling out the environmental, I think, is easier than trying a bunch of new foods and possibly creating more problems. The last two months is prime allergy season for many parts of the country. Once the season is over I think you would know fairly quickly if you should start exploring foods.Good luck!
Thank you - I will have to ask the vet if she got the Cytopoint
I think the scratching was present with the previous owners but they attributed it to the Advantix, not allergies.

As you can see, finding the source can be complicated. If you're going to try to pin it down without doing a lot of testing be sure to change only one thing at a time so you get a clear yes/no result. This will take time.

Did the previous owners mention just how long she'd been scratching?
the owners didn’t seem to think she had allergies, but she had a lot of brown spots on her coat on hindquarters, back, rear feet. Vet said it’s saliva staining from licking. The comment over text was that Advantix might lead to some irritation, I think she either licked & scratched a lot and they didn’t notice due to various family issues that led to rehoming, dog possibly in several households over a few months, or they suspected but didn’t want to address it. The discoloration has faded some with Apoquel & after last vet visit, but it’s flowly returning. Of course Michigan is unseasonably warm, so probably still environmental allergy season. I do notice minor belching if she eats quickly, could that be food?
 

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I do notice minor belching if she eats quickly, could that be food?
Most likely it's air swallowed going in to the digestive system, same as humans. Try a slow feeding style bowl to reduce that. The causes of bloat are still under investigation but it can only be a good thing to slow a fast eater down.

One of my mpoo boys eats super fast and will belch after eating if we don't "pause" him during his glutfest.
 
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she had a lot of brown spots on her coat on hindquarters, back, rear feet. Vet said it’s saliva staining from licking. The comment over text was that Advantix might lead to some irritation, I think she either licked & scratched a lot and they didn’t notice due to various family issues that led to rehoming, dog possibly in several households over a few months, or they suspected but didn’t want to address it. The discoloration has faded some with Apoquel & after last vet visit, but it’s flowly returning
Do you know when the Advantix was last applied? The Apoquel won't have a direct effect on the spotting but if it was helping to reduce the itching and therefore the licking and scratching, then the spots might fade due to reduced licking and return if the licking increased again.
Could you post photos of the spots, not close ups, just of her back and hindquarters with the spots? Are they anything like this?

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Saliva/tear stains will look like rust because they kind of are and will be only where the saliva/tears have been.

Extreme saliva staining
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Do you know when the Advantix was last applied? The Apoquel won't have a direct effect on the spotting but if it was helping to reduce the itching and therefore the licking and scratching, then the spots might fade due to reduced licking and return if the licking increased again.
Could you post photos of the spots, not close ups, just of her back and hindquarters with the spots? Are they anything like this?

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Possible minor injury to area causing temporary change in color and texture
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Saliva/tear stains will look like rust because they kind of are and will be only where the saliva/tears have been.

Extreme saliva staining
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I’m at work so don’t have photos, but it looks like the saliva staining. Advantix is once a month. It’s less bad noe than it was when I originally posted before the vet visit, but still present.
 

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Do you know when the Advantix was last applied? The Apoquel won't have a direct effect on the spotting but if it was helping to reduce the itching and therefore the licking and scratching, then the spots might fade due to reduced licking and return if the licking increased again.
Could you post photos of the spots, not close ups, just of her back and hindquarters with the spots? Are they anything like this?

Possible reaction to topical preventative
View attachment 482623

Possible minor injury to area causing temporary change in color and texture
View attachment 482625

Saliva/tear stains will look like rust because they kind of are and will be only where the saliva/tears have been.

Extreme saliva staining
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I think it’s getting lighter over time, but as you can see, she is still trying to chew her feet. She just jumped up on the couch to be with me, just got brushed, fed, eyes cleaned, so I don’t think it’s boredom?
 

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See a vet allergist. You are flying blind now. Get to the root of the problem with an expert. Please. The skin is one of the largest organs of the body, human and canine. Don’t continue to listen to the soundtrack of scratching, discoloration and suffering.
 

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If the Advantix is the cause, than taking her off of it should allow her system to normalize. If stress is the cause, then as her life normalizes the licking and scratching should reduce, although she may have habituated herself to both as a way to self soothe and it could take longer to break the habit. If food, environment, or some type of skin condition is causing the scratching and licking, you will spend a lot of time on trials before you find the cause.

Mfmst makes a good point, to see a dermatology and allergy specialist. Taking a complete history, with as much detail as you can provide, will give them a good idea of which avenue to pursue first. This is what they do every day and will have far more experience in determining probable cause.
 
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