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Ok, I know that eyes should not be too big, should be almond size, wide set, and not too light in color.

But - what is too big ? And what is too light (talking about black poodle) ? And if any of the white is seen when dog looks strait at you - is that permissible ???

Any photo comp. would be VERY appreciated !!!! I am looking at the illustrations (drawings) and it is hard to "get the picture" . I can recognize great eyes in a puppy, but I am wondering about another spectrum. How far from "perfect" is really "too far" and absolutely unacceptable in a show ring.

Thanks a lot in advance !
 

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This is my area because I love a good poodle eye. I think some are TOO slanty but some are too round. Harry's are definitely too round. They get all gooey and it's gross. I think Jasper had the perfect poodle eye. His were kind of deep-set and in the perfect spot. I've seen some that are too close together and it throws off the look of the head.
 

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Ehhh, I know LOL. It is so easy to see a "perfect thing" ; )) but so hard to say at what point somewhat is not good enough LOL

Another pet peeve of mine are a bad feet - they look so off when they are not correct .

What do you think about those - too light and big ???




 

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Is there a eye color chart (hahaha)somewhere out there? I am curious now that you memtion it how Jazz's eye color measures up. I think her peepers are just lovely but I don't know how correct they may be. Not that it matters but as always just curious.
 

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Yeah definitely too light and not tight enough. It's so hard to describe what I mean but the eyes I like are tight and deep-set in an almond shape. Does that even make sense? I just know it when I see it.
 

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Wonder-pup - I hope this thread will give us more definitive answer. LOL

Kpoo - I thought so, I know exactly what you mean - let me post a "good eyes" LOL

 

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Wonder-pup - I hope this thread will give us more definitive answer. LOL

Kpoo - I thought so, I know exactly what you mean - let me post a "good eyes" LOL

Those are BEAUTIFUL eyes in my opinion. That's something I'd see and say that's a poodle eye.
 

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Sigh.... I know ... BUT, how bad is the first set of eyes ??? Immediate disqualification or just some points off LOL
 

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Na I don't think disqualification just not as good but no dog is perfect. The way I see it is if the dog is great in other areas, one small thing can be overlooked because it's so good in other areas. So list all positives and negatives about it and see where you are then. If you've got more than say 3 major negatives move along you've got a pet quality puppy.
 

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OK - sounds like a good plan ; )

Now - what bothers me the most is that "white" showing *sigh . Is that than a double points off LOL ???
 

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OK - now I did some Canadian dog search since I know that their lines tend to have larger eyes.

I saw couple of pups with eyes like I posted "as big" and than after they grew up eyes got tighter (actually they won Ch in no time ) :rolffleyes: The color was darker though , but they were big and white was visible when they were about 12 weeks old :rolffleyes:

NOW - do puppies "grow into their eyes" so to speak LOL - or Canadian lines have something special going on :)
 

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Hmm, I don't know. Harry's were rounder and they are a little less round now. If he had a tight topknot on his head he'd look like he had almond eyes, just sayin.
 

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I think puppies typically have more white in the eye and as the skull broadens and grows it tightens up the eye. I can't see that adult picture wll enough to see a difference. I see this more often in blacks than any other color though.
 

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I know- couldn't enlarge the photo for some reason (could on "Bucket" - but would not copy enlarged version - oh well ). They are almond -trust me ; ) !

Yes- your theory sounds very plausible :) !!! I wish some of our board breeders discover this thread and educate us about that matter :)

But, maybe they will soon : ))) !!!!
 

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LOL I know! Maybe if we talk about it enough and keep bumping it up there someone will see it and take an interest in it!LOL
 

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I think it is always good to go back to the standard:


(a) Eyes-- very dark, oval in shape and set far enough apart and positioned to create an alert intelligent expression. Major fault: eyes round, protruding, large or very light.


Many people wrong think that a Poodle is supposed to have almond eyes when the standard calls for OVAL eyes. I think making the distinction between oval and almond is to keep our eyes from getting too small and squinty like they are on Collies.

Poodle eyes should be so dark brown they almost look black. I would fault my Gracy on having too light an eye because hers are brown with a hint of russet. I often see people commenting on how their Brown poodles have a pretty amber eyes. This would be a major fault and I think it gives a Poodle too hard of an expression.

When you can see the white around a Poodle's eye, this is called a "Loose Eye". My Delilah has a loose eye, though you only really see it when you band up her top kno. It is going to be one of the 1st things I try to breed away from. When the eye is really sloppy and you see white a lot, it makes the Poodle look frightened and a Poodle should never seem anything other than self assured.

I saw a picture recently of a Poodle with a really horrible eye, but I don't know if it is Kosher to post it.
 

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I saw a picture recently of a Poodle with a really horrible eye, but I don't know if it is Kosher to post it.
Can you crop the photo to just include the eyes so the dog isn't readily identifiable? Just to give examples to those who'd like to see??
 

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Can you crop the photo to just include the eyes so the dog isn't readily identifiable? Just to give examples to those who'd like to see??
Yes do that I'd like to see it. I say almond because to me an almond is shaped in points at both ends but opens up and is slightly rounded top and bottom. To me a collie eye is slanted and definitely not almond shaped, very tight, deep-set eye. Harry has "loose" eyes and they water more than other eyes that are tighter.

I'm in the process of looking for a mini and I'm having a hard time finding good eyes in the puppies.
 

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This is in my akc book , and I found it online



I can't tell which shape Enzo has ????
 
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