[Olie]

By the amount of pups she had I assume people really do that more often then we think. Here is my thing - how is the customer to receive that? I would think if you were a reputable breeder - I don't think I would advertise that where potential owners are seeking companians.....And yeah the ick factor as well.

 

[Olie]

In the dog show world this is a very common practice . It protects the female from being exposed to anything and it protects the female from having to travel . I have my Champion BISS male setter collected hoping someday to find something worthy

Not exposed to the other dog?

Sorry not being trying to be ignorant I truely am not educated enough about breeding but I seriously don't get it. There must be a lot more money involved than i thought.

 

[Olie]

she means artificial insemination

I read that some breeds like the English Bulldog have to be artificially inseminated because of the way the females uterus is shaped
and I could understand the show dog thing, why put the female or male in jeopardy of being injured from the breeding that they might need shaved?

but I would be a little irked out about the purple message of seminal fluids xD

Lol, I know what she meant Keithsomething thanks

I guess I can get that, BUT as a customer and for people like me who are more about the dog as a companion/pet its hard to swallow seeing that.:rolffleyes:

Interesting tidbit about the EB, that I can understand. Another dog my BF loves.

 

[Olie]

See thats kind of one of my points when handling a situation this way - How do they know this will happen, who witnesses this?

 

[Olie]

Oh ok XD
I just wanted to share one of my many useless facts that are stored in my brain

I agree I dunno why they had "WE SHIP SEMEN" instead of something like "WE HAVE A STUD SERVICE(email/call for questions)" lol
but I'd be pretty weirded out by that

But I'm not a person into dog shows or breeding so maybe those people aren't to worried about that fact?
((not that anyone should be worried I just didn't want to over use the phrases "ickked out" or "weired out" xDD ))

Never useless!! I am a sponge right now trying to learn as much as I can. Thanks

 

[Olie]

Okay need to calrify
Some breeders offer the frozen semen approach. A: So that they do not have to expose their dogs to another incoming female dog. Whether it be to pests or dickness or just stress... Plus the fact that this person (FEMALE dog owner ) may live really far away and they may not want to fly the girl in for a breeding. There are many reasons. Do I think they need to place this on the website ? No I do not ..If you do not show , breed or travel with your dog this would be hard for you to understand..But if you have been in the dog world for a while then this makes perfect senxe to you .... HA HA There are really alot of very strange things that go on out there. they have used the frozen fresh semen thing in cattle for YEARS.. This is not new...

I understand the "need" in some situations and well aware of livestock practices I am not sure the comparison as a customer makes any sense to advertise on your website -it's one of those things that when you see 8 litters all at once with multiple colors I question the breeders practice. It makes no sense to me what their purpose in this is and the tactics some will go too must ultimatly be money in this case. JMHO.

I am not sure on your other comments, they really dont apply to me -as I am not a dumb person and certainly not going to respond. I guess I struck a nerve, IDK.

 

[Olie]

Also, I think it's a good way to bring in a line that's absolutely not related to your dog, like many in your area might be.

If you have a show dog, female, and want a litter, you also don't have to fly her off for someone else to breed, especially if she's in a show coat, since I imagine it wouldn't be fair for the stud dog owner to have to take care of that while she's in their care.

What do you mean like many in my area might be?

 

[Olie]

If you get a puppy locally and want to breed, you may notice that a lot of the local dogs may be related to your pup. Getting genetics shipped in will broaden the gene pool.

Yeah ok...... I know about genetics, artificial insemination and so on..I think the point was missed. I dont agree with the practise on websites and honestly not with any dogs- your comment was ignorant you made and directed just as I read it.

 

[Olie]

Also, I think it's a good way to bring in a line that's absolutely not related to your dog, like many in your area might be.
QUOTE]

This comment did not appear general to me. It seemed like a target at SC.

 

[Olie]

I am stating my opinion on the subject of the thread, I don't see how you got out of that that I was targeting anyone - which I am not. Why would I?

Thats good. And I stated mine - appreciate it.


A couple missed points, I understood the purpose way back <---- I dont think at this point I agree.
BUT to advertise on a website Semen shipped and with the amount of litters they had is STUPID to me. AND what good breeder would accept that. Someone that would out this on their site is money hungry.

 

[Olie]

Here, let me rephrase my comment to stop your confusion...

"Also, I think it's a good way to bring in a line that's absolutely not related to the local dogs, like many in the area might be."

Is that better? I am not targetting anyone.. So stop accusing me of it.

Much. If you say your not then your not sorry- but if you re-read I think you can see where it was implied as I read it. Mistake.

 

[Olie]

Well, I think that depends.
I know a few breeders that ship semen internationally, and I kinda understand if they are trying to improve their line that this might be a good method to use. Especially if you are breeding a rare breed of dog.
For instance, in my home country there is only one breeder for pharoah hounds... and to improve her line she would either have to inbreed or import dogs from other countries... so I think importing semen would probably be more efficient for her than importing a bunch of dogs from different lines. But that's just my opinion.

I can see that. I love the Silver and cannot seem to find anyone to do some research on. I would like to have one in the future but running upon things like that website sours me:scared:

 

[Olie]

Interesting to say the least.

 

[Olie]

I have a friend who lives in a country very far away, who is wantijng to introduce reds to her area and is wishing to purchase a red to show. If she does she will be the first person in the entire continent to own and show and breed a red. So, it makes sense to ship semen, and makes sense for people to advertise to that kind of audience.

Olie, have you ever looked into Bibelot for a silver... Susan Fraser has been one of the premier breeders of silvers for years. Just a thought.

Why on earth would they resurrect a dog whose COI is so incredibly high.. Just asking for trouble, I would think. The tale may not be told for some time, but eventually the ugly truth will surface in this males grandchildren. What a mess! Thank you for sharing this piece on Eaton Affirmed.

Across country I can understand. And I am sure her advertisement is more subtile than the site I seen. I am working with a wonderful person now I am so excited too, but the information is great to have thank you! I love your dogs too by the way. I look at your pictures all the time

 

[Olie]

I dislike this OLD thread LOL - I over reacted / misinterpreted something and since have moved on.

Anyway my understanding and clarification is great now. I ended up with a silver from a great breeder.:act-up:

 

[Olie]

I agree - and the AI for me today is a wonderful option. Also I was not aware of a couple of those STD's in doggy terms.