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How do you know if your dog is show quality? What are the requirements? How young can the handler be? How old should the dog be? Any info would be great!! TIA
 

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Well there two Kennel clubs in America, the first is the American Kennel Club and you can find out about showing from their site www.akc.org and the second is the United Kennel Club and you can find more on showing from their site www.ukcdogs.com you can also find out about the standards their as well.

If you would like our opinions on if you have a show worthy dog it would be nice to see a stack photo from both sides the front and back plus some movement shots.

Did the breeder you bought your dog from show their dogs?
 

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well the puppy is only 9 wks old, so dont know if you still wanted pics or not. can you tell this early? no, the parents were family pets.
 

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well the puppy is only 9 wks old, so dont know if you still wanted pics or not. can you tell this early? no, the parents were family pets.
Oh yes, pics please. This is one of the best times to see if they are possibly a show potential. Most breeder's will take stacked pics of there pups at 6 wks, 8 wks and more. Some take them even sooner...like 4 1/2-5wks.

If you do stack up your pup for a few pics just make sure its a short session. Usually no more then 5 minutes at this age and baiting them with treat of some sort helps. I personally like to use cheese or a little lunch meat. Whatever works!

Good luck....I can't wait to see pics either way. Show potential or not!
 

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most of you have seen pics of him, and no one has said anything about show quality, so I doubt he is. I was just wondering. HAHAHA
 

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most of you have seen pics of him, and no one has said anything about show quality, so I doubt he is. I was just wondering. HAHAHA
Well the pics you have posted aren't pics you could tell that from. He looks like he has a pretty head and a long muzzle but that all you can tell from those pics.

If you want post a stacked pic or even just a few of him walking around. Ive been hoping you'd post more pics because he is such a pretty boy.
 

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Here is a stacked dobbie pic. This pic might help because he has a short coat. You can really see where the legs are supposed to be and they stack dobbie's like Poodles.
 

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great, thanks!! I will try to get some tomorrow!! How hard is it going to be to get a puppy to stand still like that?lol
 

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great, thanks!! I will try to get some tomorrow!! How hard is it going to be to get a puppy to stand still like that?lol
It depends. Sometimes you really have to hang onto them to hold them still. With puppies I put my hand at the base of the thoat, just under the jaw, and right under the rear end. Then whoever is taking the pictures needs to be quick. It's best to have photographer ready before you set the dog up, then click click before puppy goes crazy and wiggles lol.
 

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I can't wait to see the pics. I might be posting some stacked pics a new puppy tomorrow. I'll be driving up to see him in the morning and if he looks like he does on pics he's mine. I can't wait!
 

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Ok I will start with there is no such thing as a show quality pup. There is such a thing as show potential, meaning it has the potential at the time to be of show quality when fully grown. Show quality means worthy of championship title. Having said this, there is no such dog in the whole world that doesnt have faults. You will find it on every dog, its impossible to breed or buy one without any. All we can do is breed to the best of the standard we can possibly get.

With the pic of the poodle posted, I wouldnt stack it that way, its best and even while you are training your puppy to have one hand under the jowl till it learns to keep its head forward, then you grab the piece of skin around the neck and under the ear. Hard to explain. The other hand grabs hold of the tail. Shown in this pic of my 4 mth old girl



The back legs how the are turning means back angulation. If they are straight its very undesirable, shocking actually and they cant drive. Drive means the back legs are doing the work and should be able to kick out helping the front legs to reach forward faster. Reach is the extention of the front legs. They must not be hackneyed or high stepping, not suppose to scissort (crossing one leg over the other moving) either. Must be moving forward. A short to square back is desirable, long does not look good but can be forgiven and hidden by the trim. Long necks are better but if they have a short neck its good if they can carry it high. Tail set must be set high. Heads you will see a classic example of a lovely head like this same girl in the pic.






This girl has a good front also and can be seen with the way she moves. You also have to watch out for loose elbows, elbows turning in, too close, too wide, east west feet, flat feet, hope some of this helps.
 

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you lost me at ok!!! LOL Just kidding, sort of!! I cant for the life of me get him to stand like that!! What is the trick?:banghead:
 

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:pound: dont worry I lose myself :pound:

Yes its not easy especially when training babies. Just try to stand the puppy square, like the pic but perhaps one hand holding his throat and one hand inbetween the backlegs to hold him up. If that still dont work, dont worry about holding him just wait till the dog is standing still on his own, try to get a side on profile, or near enough to.
 

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:pound: dont worry I lose myself :pound:

Yes its not easy especially when training babies. Just try to stand the puppy square, like the pic but perhaps one hand holding his throat and one hand inbetween the backlegs to hold him up. If that still dont work, dont worry about holding him just wait till the dog is standing still on his own, try to get a side on profile, or near enough to.
Do you want a whole body side profile? Or just face? I will do both
 

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both, if you just do the face it tells us nothing about the body. If you could get a movement one also on lead, it can tell us if something isnt quite right too.
 

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reOh oh *raises hand and waves widly* since we are learning about conformation can I post pictures of Jazz in profile and have her looked over? Just curious to learn more about the standard and how Jazz compaires, even though she's spayed. Of course she's da mostest beautiful girl in the whole wide world either way, but I do want to show a poodle in the future and I try to never pass up a chance to learn. I can already see things that I might change but it'd be fun to have a more expereinced opinion. My mother is a Judge (but not for poodles) and she said Jazz had an ugly head. Pfftt, :p It was an unasked for comment and I retaliated and told her that one her new tib pups she is growing out has an ugly head too. ha! :p
 

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Well here is a side stacked shot of my new boy Sting. I know he's not perfect but I think I may a good chance with him. Tell me what you think?

I want to take a few movement shots and a front and rear stack. He gets a bit excited over bait so that was it for my hand today.
 

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Well here is a side stacked shot of my new boy Sting. I know he's not perfect but I think I may a good chance with him. Tell me what you think?

I want to take a few movement shots and a front and rear stack. He gets a bit excited over bait so that was it for my hand today.
OOOO how cute he looks pretty nice then AGAIN I am not poodle expert if you show me a apbt then thats another story LOL

I will post some of Inzo today , I am having a hard time stacking him.
 

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OOOO how cute he looks pretty nice then AGAIN I am not poodle expert if you show me a apbt then thats another story LOL

I will post some of Inzo today , I am having a hard time stacking him.
Thanks. Ya, I think he looks nicer in person but thats the best I could get before he took off my finger's. lol His hair also needs a trim. Its so long on the body that it looks like he has no neck. I don't want to overwelm him with the grooming his 1st few days here. He is a sweet heart though and Im already in love.

Can't wait to see some pics of Enzo.
 
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