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For years, my wife and I spoke about "one day getting a dog." I always ultimately thought it was too much much responsibility. But now with my wife working from home, we've been considering it a little more seriously. I've been reading a number of books and doing research. My wife is a sucker for anything "cute," and as we've learned more, she's been talked out of the various poodle mixes or "designer dogs." I initially gravitated toward the larger "working" breeds, but had to admit our household is probably not the right fit for that. Over time, we've concluded a miniature poodle would be a good size, fit, and combination of both of our interests.

We started looking for miniature red poodles on the internet, and all google searches lead to Scarlet's Fancy Poodles in Central California. To the novice, everything looks great--health tests, guarantees, etc., but after doing some research on this site, and reading about the importance of OFA tests, and breeders that actually show their dogs, maybe this isn't the best place to look. Seems like there's been some bad experiences and odd reactions from the breeder.

Initially, it seemed like miniature red poodles were easy to find. I can go on the AKC "marketplace" website and easily find miniature red poodle puppies for sale. But I'm assuming that's not a good place to look either?

I read through this discussion that is only a year and a half old:
Red Miniature Poodles in California (or driving distance?)
And these discussions about the same in New York:
Want 1 Red Miniature Poodle
Looking to Purchase two mini Poodles

It seems like the general sentiment is to just not try to choose a color, and indeed a number of people ultimately just move on from trying to find a red. But if it's such a popular color (the logo for this website appears to be a red!), I'm surprised more "reputable" breeders don't step in to try to fill the demand with good, humanely bred dogs. Unfortunately, most of the reputable, recommended breeders have terrible websites. I don't mean to be disparaging, and I get it--they're probably spending more time with their dogs, and since they don't mean for it to be a big business, they have more referrals than they can deal with before worrying about creating a slick website. But it makes it hard for the novice to figure things out.

I found the "Apricot Red Poodle Club" website online. Would any of the members of that club be safe places to look in terms of the breeders?

I've found interesting information at the Versatility In Poodles website, but it doesn't have specific breeder recommendations. I have yet to inquire with the PCA National Breeder Referral contact--is that a good source?

We're in Southern California, and it seems ideal to be within driving distance (even if it's a very long drive), but I'm not opposed to travelling, if necessary.

To be honest, we're not quite ready to adopt a puppy. But it seems like the best thing would be to identify a breeder, get to know them a bit and then they could help select the right puppy from a future litter based on temperament and knowing us. Am I looking in the right places? Any other places we should look?
 

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Hi and Welcome!

It sounds like you're on track for what's of primary importance. That said, almost all of us have color preferences but ending up with one of our favorites isn't always what happens.

We have some members who have found red mini's so I hope they chime in for you.

Til then, here's some links and some cautions along with:

https://poodleclubofamerica.org/find-a-poodle-breeder/
This link should get you to pages which direct you to folks within PCA who can help with breeder referrals for your desired area.

https://marketplace.akc.org/puppies/poodle
These are AKC registered breeders but review their websites thoroughly. Look for OFA, CHIC health testing info in the site. If not on the website, ask the breeder to provide all health testing results and links (this will be on the dam and sire fyi). In fact, do that with any breeder you make contact with. A quality breeder will not hesitate to show the health documentation.

"Poodle Breeders" Standard Poodles, Miniature Poodles, Toy Poodles Breeders Directory!
"Poodle Breeders" Standard Poodles, Miniature Poodles, Toy Poodles Breeders Directory!
All the breeders listed here are required to do appropriate health testing in order to list on that site.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/477233365657056/
Breeders here all do appropriate health testing.

https://www.poodlebreeders.com/
Another site with multiple breeders listed. Use the same caution.

I see you're in SoCal. How far are you willing and able to travel?

If you use the Search function at the top, select advanced then enter "red mini" as your keywords. Don't limit anything else. You'll get a lot of threads, so check the headers on them to see if it looks like breeders might be mentioned. Or, just read them all, if it's quiet night for you :).

I saw a reminder by one of our members to contact one of the quality breeders of reds, even if not the size or in the area you're looking. They will usually know of other breeders they could suggest for you. We have several members who are quality breeders of reds. They are all very gracious.
 
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Don’t forge the poodle fading gene. It’s hard to breed out of a line. So your red poodle puppy might actually be not red full grown. I’ve seen some even go cream. Make sure parents are dark red


Also if you decide on an apricot make sure it’s an apricot and not cream. I thought I was buying an apricot when I brought home Sandy :aetsch:. Nope. I’m happy how she turned out and it’s fun to play with hair color on a light poodle.
 

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Thanks for the feedback. As you can see from my post, I've looked in a lot of those places, but wasn't sure which ones were good places to look and which weren't. The AKC Marketplace kind of seems like the wild west, for instance, and I'm not sure if I know what I'm doing enough to decipher the health tests.

It seems like both parents should be listed on OFA, and these tend to be the most common:
  • Hips
  • Eyes
  • Progressive Retinal Atrophy (PRA) DNA Test
  • Patella
  • Canine Health - CHIC qualification
But then I see others like Elbow, Legg-Calve-Perthes, Osteochondrodysplasias, etc.

These posts were kind of helpful in trying to decipher, but I'm still not 100% sure:
Genetic Conditions - OFA Blue Book: What to Know In Choosing A Puppy or Breeding
Is your poodle (or breeder's poodles) OFA or CHIC? And this: $$$!
Breeder search - health testing expectations

Thanks for the "Poodle Breeders" Standard Poodles, Miniature Poodles, Toy Poodles Breeders Directory! resource--seems like the health testing is pretty important there, and I had not seen that site.

Regarding travel, we could travel anywhere in the country, but it seems more practical to be within driving distance if possible.
 

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I can second MaizieFrosty, as my black boy is from Danube and Timea was wonderful to work with. I still text her photos all the time. I have seen one of Timea's reds in person and they are wonderful, though I think they are mostly in the smaller size range for minis. Her blacks tend to be larger.

Reds tend to be newer and trendier, so I would be extra cautious making sure you have a good breeder. This forum is full of great tips.

I would also agree that the more you research and look at poodles, the less set you will be on color. Temperament is soooo much more important, and I'd be happy with any color that has a great temperament. Health would be my #2 concern, with appearance coming in third.

You will have so much fun! I'm doing obedience and agility with my boy and he has so much potential.
 

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Look at 'Poodles Online.com' (all breeders must do testing) I just looked and KayKids in Jamul Ca breeds reds and apricots......
 

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All this info to sort thru can be overwhelming. OFA lists the primary recommended tests for each poodle size on their site.

https://www.ofa.org/browse-by-breed

Poodle Club of America primary recommendations by poodle size:

https://3hydp9ye82a18dc272gyhmi1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/Health_Screening_in_Poodles_2016.pdf

I would compare the lists to what breeders note on their websites, of those that do. For those that don't list testing on their sites, ask them what testing they do when you communicate with them.

There are a lot more conditions which can be tested for, but so far, they're not part of the standard pre-breeding testing. As more is learned, more tests may be added to the recommended lists.
 
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