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Re: Whispering Pines Poodles

Just came across an addison affected dog while cruising the web...

K-Lar's Chocolate Latte (Bred by Bijou) is an Addisons affected dog.

Whispering pines owned this dog, and bred her... and then bred her offspring...

I am sooo glad they were caught
 

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Just came across an addison affected dog while cruising the web...

K-Lar's Chocolate Latte (Bred by Bijou) is an Addisons affected dog.

Whispering pines owned this dog, and bred her... and then bred her offspring...

I am sooo glad they were caught
i'm surprised at bijou. she's such a conscientious breeder...how could she let this slip by???? so...does this mean, even if a pup comes with health testing, we can't necessarily trust it????? this is scary.....
 

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i'm surprised at bijou. she's such a conscientious breeder...how could she let this slip by???? so...does this mean, even if a pup comes with health testing, we can't necessarily trust it????? this is scary.....

There is no test for a gene that causes Addisons. We suspect that Addisons is genetic, but we don't know how it is passed down. With this and other auto-immune disorders breeders have to take a "wait and see" approach. Best practices say to remove affected dogs and those closely related to them from a breeding program.

To give Whispering Pines the benefit of the doubt, it could be that the bitch and her offspring were bred before the foundation bitch came down with Addisons. This is why it is risky to breed Standards at a young age. You don't know what might be lurking in the gene pool.

As far as Bijou being conscientious.... ahhh..... that would not be my personal opinion, but you can certainly do a search on this forum and see previous discussions about this breeder. :)
 

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Just came across an addison affected dog while cruising the web...

K-Lar's Chocolate Latte (Bred by Bijou) is an Addisons affected dog.

Whispering pines owned this dog, and bred her... and then bred her offspring...

I am sooo glad they were caught
OMG JAK We must have ESP I was looking through pedigrees and found this last night
 

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As far as Bijou being conscientious.... ahhh..... that would not be my personal opinion, but you can certainly do a search on this forum and see previous discussions about this breeder. :)
Except that the most telling thread has been removed from common view... :wacko:
 

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Except that the most telling thread has been removed from common view... :wacko:
Yup !

Let me look again so I can be accurate I believe this dog from Ash mystical is related.

Let me go look

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Ok its not in Enzos pedigree:) Its in a dog I was looking into for future breeding. She has Ash's-Mystical Mahogany Mist in her pedigree and I found the K-Lar dog was Ash's-Mystical Mahogany Mist half sister or brother.

It would be 5 generation Back to the pups if we do do the breeding.
 

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i know this thread is not about bijou, but i am getting the feeling that she is not so well liked around these parts. i had some interaction with bijou, however, it didn't start out pleasant and i guess it just ended neutral. i read some of the stuff on her website and i perceived it as a lot of bragging that she had the best chocolates as far as conformation and as far as coloring and she's done this and done that, etc etc. i was compelled to write to her and tell her how condenscending she sounded. she didn't take too well to that and proceeded to tell me she earned her bragging rights. after many eMails back & forth, i really just decided to give up the banter. we did not end on a bad note, but it never really got rid of the bad taste in my mouth. now i am seeing for all her bragging, she's not as perfect as she professes to be. in fact, i now question her values.
 

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i know this thread is not about bijou, but i am getting the feeling that she is not so well liked around these parts. i had some interaction with bijou, however, it didn't start out pleasant and i guess it just ended neutral. i read some of the stuff on her website and i perceived it as a lot of bragging that she had the best chocolates as far as conformation and as far as coloring and she's done this and done that, etc etc. i was compelled to write to her and tell her how condenscending she sounded. she didn't take too well to that and proceeded to tell me she earned her bragging rights. after many eMails back & forth, i really just decided to give up the banter. we did not end on a bad note, but it never really got rid of the bad taste in my mouth. now i am seeing for all her bragging, she's not as perfect as she professes to be. in fact, i now question her values.
OH BOY!!! People need to ask lots and lots of questions of breeders and get proof of anything they may say. There is enough info on this forum, even with the threads that got pulled, for people to get an idea of the opinons of many on here.

Some of the top brown AKC and CKC breeders would really take exception to the claim that Bijou browns are top quality.
 

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OH BOY!!! People need to ask lots and lots of questions of breeders and get proof of anything they may say. There is enough info on this forum, even with the threads that got pulled, for people to get an idea of the opinons of many on here.

Some of the top brown AKC and CKC breeders would really take exception to the claim that Bijou browns are top quality.
arreau...why do people have to be so pompous? humility goes a much longer way. i hope whatever happened between you and bijou is very far behind you. when you profess that you walk on water, you usually wind up drowning. in time, all that is hidden is revealed. i'm glad you are ok. re: laura, i'm sorry for her.
 

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arreau...why do people have to be so pompous? humility goes a much longer way. i hope whatever happened between you and bijou is very far behind you. when you profess that you walk on water, you usually wind up drowning. in time, all that is hidden is revealed. i'm glad you are ok. re: laura, i'm sorry for her.
I am fine!! I get PM's from people who hear things from the cronies in PM's and I don't care anymore. I wear my heart on my sleeve and what you see and hear is what you get. They cannot damage me because the people they are lying about me to who would believe them and judge me because of their nonsense are people I do not want to be bothered with anyway.

I think a lot of breeders get a holier than thou attitude and think their dogs are perfect and that their poop doesn't stink. It is really hard for people to find mentors when there are so many nasty breeders who are so hard to deal with. And there are some people who appear great until you question them or cross them. I think we need to all be honest and open, and allow people in. I would much rather mentor someone and try to lead them the right way than be a negative foorce, have them go elsewhere and screw things up, because whatever they do and whatever they add to the gene pool is going to affect some or most of us along the way anyway.

I have met some incredible breeders who are honest and helpful and do their best to be wonderful ambassadors of this breed. But I have encountered others, who even with my years of exposure to this breed would make me want to run in the other direction. I don't understand how this type of person feels they are helping in any way. But, humans are always a bit of a puzzle to me at the best of times....
 

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There is no test for a gene that causes Addisons. We suspect that Addisons is genetic, but we don't know how it is passed down. With this and other auto-immune disorders breeders have to take a "wait and see" approach. Best practices say to remove affected dogs and those closely related to them from a breeding program.

To give Whispering Pines the benefit of the doubt, it could be that the bitch and her offspring were bred before the foundation bitch came down with Addisons. This is why it is risky to breed Standards at a young age. You don't know what might be lurking in the gene pool.

As far as Bijou being conscientious.... ahhh..... that would not be my personal opinion, but you can certainly do a search on this forum and see previous discussions about this breeder. :)
I already thought about that, but she was bred twice, and the offspring has been bred from, in 2008. Latte was 6 then...


Lol, Bijou being conscientious? Sorry:(

And yes, with careful breeding, Addison's could be eliminated, or at least far less common... but alas, I still see people breeding dogs with addisonian littermates, from the parents who have produced addisonian puppies....

Makes me cry :(
 

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OMG JAK We must have ESP I was looking through pedigrees and found this last night
Wow!

Lol, I was only looking at it because I clicked on addisons affected dog list on phr...
But I am often looking through pedigrees... where certain things pop up.. and dogs..
 

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I wonder if the people who breed from affected dogs have ever had the pleasure of seeing a healthy happy dog?? if they have I would like to hear their explanation of why they breed with dogs which are not healthy or are carriers and therefore can result in dogs who do not enjoy a happy healthy life. it will continue to be one of lifes puzzles for me. I hate to think of people buying a pet puppy and having to spend a lot of time nursing their unwell dog. long live the Saffy's, Lara's, Hestia's and Paris's of the world! and all the others that I am yet to meet!
 

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arreau...why do people have to be so pompous? humility goes a much longer way. i hope whatever happened between you and bijou is very far behind you. when you profess that you walk on water, you usually wind up drowning. in time, all that is hidden is revealed. i'm glad you are ok. re: laura, i'm sorry for her.
Its called kennel blindness KENNEL BLINDNESS
 
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