Latte has 2 affected offspring now, one from each litter.
i'm surprised at bijou. she's such a conscientious breeder...how could she let this slip by???? so...does this mean, even if a pup comes with health testing, we can't necessarily trust it????? this is scary.....Just came across an addison affected dog while cruising the web...
K-Lar's Chocolate Latte (Bred by Bijou) is an Addisons affected dog.
Whispering pines owned this dog, and bred her... and then bred her offspring...
I am sooo glad they were caught
i'm surprised at bijou. she's such a conscientious breeder...how could she let this slip by???? so...does this mean, even if a pup comes with health testing, we can't necessarily trust it????? this is scary.....
OMG JAK We must have ESP I was looking through pedigrees and found this last nightJust came across an addison affected dog while cruising the web...
K-Lar's Chocolate Latte (Bred by Bijou) is an Addisons affected dog.
Whispering pines owned this dog, and bred her... and then bred her offspring...
I am sooo glad they were caught
Except that the most telling thread has been removed from common view... :wacko:As far as Bijou being conscientious.... ahhh..... that would not be my personal opinion, but you can certainly do a search on this forum and see previous discussions about this breeder.![]()
Yup !Except that the most telling thread has been removed from common view... :wacko:
ditto!!!except that the most telling thread has been removed from common view... :wacko:
OH BOY!!! People need to ask lots and lots of questions of breeders and get proof of anything they may say. There is enough info on this forum, even with the threads that got pulled, for people to get an idea of the opinons of many on here.i know this thread is not about bijou, but i am getting the feeling that she is not so well liked around these parts. i had some interaction with bijou, however, it didn't start out pleasant and i guess it just ended neutral. i read some of the stuff on her website and i perceived it as a lot of bragging that she had the best chocolates as far as conformation and as far as coloring and she's done this and done that, etc etc. i was compelled to write to her and tell her how condenscending she sounded. she didn't take too well to that and proceeded to tell me she earned her bragging rights. after many eMails back & forth, i really just decided to give up the banter. we did not end on a bad note, but it never really got rid of the bad taste in my mouth. now i am seeing for all her bragging, she's not as perfect as she professes to be. in fact, i now question her values.
arreau...why do people have to be so pompous? humility goes a much longer way. i hope whatever happened between you and bijou is very far behind you. when you profess that you walk on water, you usually wind up drowning. in time, all that is hidden is revealed. i'm glad you are ok. re: laura, i'm sorry for her.OH BOY!!! People need to ask lots and lots of questions of breeders and get proof of anything they may say. There is enough info on this forum, even with the threads that got pulled, for people to get an idea of the opinons of many on here.
Some of the top brown AKC and CKC breeders would really take exception to the claim that Bijou browns are top quality.
I am fine!! I get PM's from people who hear things from the cronies in PM's and I don't care anymore. I wear my heart on my sleeve and what you see and hear is what you get. They cannot damage me because the people they are lying about me to who would believe them and judge me because of their nonsense are people I do not want to be bothered with anyway.arreau...why do people have to be so pompous? humility goes a much longer way. i hope whatever happened between you and bijou is very far behind you. when you profess that you walk on water, you usually wind up drowning. in time, all that is hidden is revealed. i'm glad you are ok. re: laura, i'm sorry for her.
i'll drink to that !:biggrin1:But, humans are always a bit of a puzzle to me at the best of times....
I already thought about that, but she was bred twice, and the offspring has been bred from, in 2008. Latte was 6 then...There is no test for a gene that causes Addisons. We suspect that Addisons is genetic, but we don't know how it is passed down. With this and other auto-immune disorders breeders have to take a "wait and see" approach. Best practices say to remove affected dogs and those closely related to them from a breeding program.
To give Whispering Pines the benefit of the doubt, it could be that the bitch and her offspring were bred before the foundation bitch came down with Addisons. This is why it is risky to breed Standards at a young age. You don't know what might be lurking in the gene pool.
As far as Bijou being conscientious.... ahhh..... that would not be my personal opinion, but you can certainly do a search on this forum and see previous discussions about this breeder.![]()
Wow!OMG JAK We must have ESP I was looking through pedigrees and found this last night
Its called kennel blindness KENNEL BLINDNESSarreau...why do people have to be so pompous? humility goes a much longer way. i hope whatever happened between you and bijou is very far behind you. when you profess that you walk on water, you usually wind up drowning. in time, all that is hidden is revealed. i'm glad you are ok. re: laura, i'm sorry for her.