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Hey there,
I am fairly new to the fabulous world of poodles. I got my first poodle last October. We adopted Lily from a rescue organization, she is about three years old. She is a perfectly build, very athletic looking, "square" body shape, cream miniature poodle. In may we got a little black and white miniature parti poodle boy, who is now 7 months old. Now here comes my question(s), do partis have a slightly different body shape? He is a little shorter in height than Lily, but Einstein's body is quite a bit longer than hers, he also has a longer neck. I understand that every poodle is unique and looks different, and that also gender makes a difference. His parents were not minis, both were toys. The breeder only breeds toys and tiny toys, and he came out a "giant", he already weighs 12 pounds ... does he look different because he is a parti, because he is a "oversized" toy rather than a mini, or might he not even be purebred ... the breeder is somewhat shady, I keep reminding her that I haven't recieved his UKC registration, and she always has a different excuse. I understand that the registration does not guarantee that he is purebred. Don't get me wrong, we love this little guy and wouldn't want him to be anything other than he is, I am just wondering ...

Any answers are greatly appreciated :)
 

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Hello and welcome to the forum!

All poodles, including the multicolored poodles, should adhere to the same breed standard (other than color for the multi poodles). Of course, no matter what color, all poodles (purebred or otherwise) don't always meet the breed standard perfectly.

I'm sorry to hear you are having trouble with your breeder. Was she supposed to send the registration after he was neutered?
 

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the breeder is somewhat shady, I keep reminding her that I haven't recieved his UKC registration, and she always has a different excuse. I understand that the registration does not guarantee that he is purebred.
Just for the record, he could also be AKC registered assuming the breeder had her house in order and chose to do so. A parti can't be shown in the breed ring, but they can certainly be registered.

AKC "papers" are no guarantee of quality. But the AKC has gotten better about inspecting high-volume breeders, and some breeders have decided they didn't like that.
 

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As Paddle said poodle conformation should be the same regardless of colour. Having said that, I have noticed that many poodles who are not bred out of show quality parents (and particularly toy poodles) have longer bodies and shorter legs. A few of Darcy's friends in the park are toy poodles and they look like a completely different breed. So I would guess that your shady breeder bred dogs that were not to standard in terms of conformation, and that's why your parti looks so different. :)
 

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Thank you for your replies, they really helped me to understand, why Einstein looks a little different. I have had dogs all my life, mostly mutts and rescues, but Lily turned hubby and me into total poodle lovers, we even talked about maybe getting a spoo ... lol.

I didn't know anything about my parti's breeder when I got him, because I did something that is unusual for me, and not at all what I believe in. I was surfing the net to check out AZ poodle rescues and somehow I ended up on the website of a big puppy brokerage. I clicked through the poodle photos and came across this sad looking little boy, who was already 5 months old. I can't explain what happened, but as soon as I saw his picture, I started crying and I knew I had to get him ... my husband really thought, I had lost my mind, because I always said, I'd never, ever would do such thing. I fully understand the puppy mill/shady breeder problem. At that time, I was still under the impression that the puppy was in AZ, after having talked to the "puppy agent" I learned that he would have to be shipped by plane. I still didn't know anything about the breeder ... but I just wanted to get that little guy out of there, afraid he would end up at the pound or worse.
Three days later, we picked him up at the airport ... the most traumatized, and scared puppy, I have ever seen in my entire life, we are working on his issues, and he is making very slow, but steady progress. Taped to his kennel was his paperwork, and a note that the UKC registration would be sent in the mail ... he was advertised as an UKC registered puppy, which led me to believe that he had already been registered. Once I knew her name and location, I did some research on her, and it turned out that in the 90's she's been to court for hoarding poodles and running an illegal puppy mill. The AKC has suspended her privileges in 2006 for 4 years, and on her website she still advertises AKC registered pups. In one of her emails she even suggested that I didn't need any registration papers for him, since I don't intend to breed myself. She has a valid point, but to me it is more a matter of priciple, he was advertised as already being registered, that's why I want a registration, and her to get caught in her lies.
The immunization papers she send with him, didn't make any sense to my vet, the dates were all screwed up and the papers show two different bith dates.
Oh, and this one you all will "love" a few days before she shipped him to me, she had his tail re-docked, he was already 5 months (!!!) old. It was very poorly done, they used glue on the tip, and as my vet predicted, the tip died off. Luckily it didn't require additional surgery.

I expected some of this to happen, since I took a route I didn't believe in taking, and still I am very frustrated how irresponsible, and dishonest some people are ... Sorry, if I dumped some of my frustration on you, but I know you will understand.

Thank you again, for your replies :)
 

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I'm so so sorry to hear what your new puppy has been through. I hope he will turn out to be a healthy and even-tempered dog. Be prepared that you would have to invest extra $ and love and care and patience though. Sigh… glue on the tip?? Tail redocked at 5 months? How can people do these?

Just saw that you are from Tucson. I went to school there for almost 7 yrs - lots of good memories~
 

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@ Schnauzerpoodle ... Tucson is a great town. We have been living here for 8 years now, and can't imagine living anywhere else ... the summers are brutal, but once the monsoon arrives it's alright.

My little boy does require lots of love and attention, because he has no trust in people, especially men. He is fine with me, just a normal, happy, very smart puppy, but as soon as someone else enters the house, he freezes up, starts to bark hysterically and dissapears under the sofa. He is slowly opening up to my husband, the treats hubby carries in his pockets do help ;-) My vet recommended to get a dog behavioral specialist involved, but Einstein has come so far in the 8 weeks we had him that I want to give him a few more weeks before doing that. He does very well with other dogs, and I believe the problem with him is that he has hasn't been around humans, other than the breeder. He just wasn't socialized at all during his first 5 months. Luckily I am a "full-time dog mom" and can provide all the attention and love he and my other two furbabies need.
 

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Yeah, Tucson is great - really hot but like you said, once the monsoon arrives, it's not that bad. My mother-in-law still lives there so we still go back once or twice a year (not during the hot hot months though). Maybe we can arrange a meetup and let the pups meet their forum-buddies :)

I hope your little guy will become one loving dog soon. Good luck with everything.
 
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