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For those of you that have purchased a show puppy from a reputable kennel, what type of contracts do you have? Do reputable kennels only sell on co-ownerships or can you get a puppy with complete ownership for show? And are there any particular stipulations in the contracts?
 

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Most of the breeders I spoke to were requiring co-ownership for any puppy that was sold with full registration. I know that some even had agreements with the owner's of the stud dogs stating that they would do that for any puppy not sold with limited registration.
 

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Most of the breeders I spoke to were requiring co-ownership for any puppy that was sold with full registration. I know that some even had agreements with the owner's of the stud dogs stating that they would do that for any puppy not sold with limited registration.
Ok, it is similar with PWDs, but I got mine from Australia so there was no co-ownership. I thought that was how most were set up though. I have never done a true co-ownership(one with family members but not a breeder). Thanks:)
 

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How easy was importing from Australia? I'm afraid of that long plane ride, and basically getting a puppy I'd never touched before!
 

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There is always the F word fostering........sorry purplepoodle:)

But I think this is set up a bit different by breeders.
 

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There is always the F word fostering........sorry purplepoodle:)

But I think this is set up a bit different by breeders.
Yes, but I think that is usually if the breeder does all the showing, expenses, etc and they still breed the dog and pretty much own the dog until spayed/neutered.

I think co-ownerships usually require the new owner to share ownership until the dog is a finished champion or altered and the breeder may/may not get a pup back. I would prefer when the time comes to just own a dog out right, but I understand that breeders need co-ownerships in place to keep track of their breeding program and prevent unscrupulous buyers from using their dogs to breed at random and also to protect their kennel name.
 

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How easy was importing from Australia? I'm afraid of that long plane ride, and basically getting a puppy I'd never touched before!
Wasn't too bad just expensive. You pretty much have to hire a pet transport company. So you really don't have to do much. As far as never touching the dog, no you don't but I bought from a very reputable breeder who got her stock from the US and I knew that she wanted her pup to succeed in the showring in the US and look good for her kennel so I wasn't worried about her sending me a bum pup. The pup bounced out of the crate and never missed a beat. We still had a contract with her however just not a co-ownership.
 

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Co-ownership is pretty much a norm - even when pups are just exchanged between already established breeders. That way Ch fame goes both-ways and it is understandable.

Co-ownership is very clearly established relationship with little space for "wiggling" , while fostering can be allllll kinds of arrangements - whatever breeder and new owner decide to do. To be honest, I never saw "fostering" happening in major top lines in the USA.

I would find purchasing a show puppy much easier "long distance" than a pet - since I expect from a pet much more than just being "correct" in confirmation and with an OK temperament and also show contract is so much more clear regarding what is warranted and what not .It would be for me more like a business transaction and not a lot emotions involved.

Every top breeder has great interest invested in sending a really top quality puppy to a "show -home" !!! Somebody else will raise a dog and bring it to Championship and one more Ch is added to his/her line record !!!
 

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I think it depends on your relationship with the breeder as well as whether you're kind of "established" within the breed. Our 2 show girls were purchased outright from their breeders. But my mom is well known within the PWD breed area and already knew the breeders before we got pups from them. The only dogs we have ever co-owned have been with friends and from our breeding.

Having said that, we would be very careful selling outright registration to others, but we would if it was someone we knew pretty well. It helps that the PWD world is pretty small.
 

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i think tht if you are 'new' to the breed you can expect no matter wht to have a co ownership. This is common even with people who have shown a dog or two in ny breed.

and if they were letting me get the dog with OUT co ownership i'd wonder what's up.
 

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and if they were letting me get the dog with OUT co ownership i'd wonder what's up?


Me too!

And true about studs to be used... a good contract will add 'puppies are not to be placed for breeding purposes'.
 
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