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We are due to pickup our toy poodle on Monday. We have been corresponding with the owner since before birth. She has shared photos of the parents & the pups. They live a good 3+ hours from us so we have not seen puppy in person.
Puppy had her shots and her physical yesterday at 8 weeks. Owner notified me that vet said all was fine health wise but did add that puppy has a slight underbite which neither parent has.
So.. Im googling like crazy and reading all sorts of stuff.
This is my dream "to be silver grey' puppy that Ive searched almost 2 yrs for. The price is $2800.00Cdn which is steep but I know poodles are rare here & these colors are nonexistent anywhere around here( middle of Canada). We are not receiving registration papers but do have to sign a non-breeding contract.
I may be oversharing but more details the better...
So ...what to do?

Awaiting any advice or comments,
Chris
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Mmmm that’s tricky! Have u seen pics of the puppy and underbite? What did their vet say about it. From what I’ve read over the last year of me trying to prepare for you standard. Hard to say how it will develop cause that takes time. Maybe someone on here who has a toy poodle would know more. Hate to pay that much and the dog not be what u want. Keep us posted!
 

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I appreciate the breeder's honesty. Has she sent you photos?

My worry would be potential trauma due to misaligned teeth—painful and expensive. But that's just based on a friend's experience with her husky. Her husky's bite was just a little off as a pup. It was actually quite endearing. But her teeth ended up aligning with her gums, sinking in painfully when she closed her mouth, which required treatment from a specialist.

Will your puppy be coming with a health guarantee? Would your breeder be willing to cover any dental bills in puppy's first year? At least until her adult teeth have come in and you can better assess?

I'm not sure if this would be applicable in your puppy's case, but my friend had success doing gentle pulling exercises every day with a tennis ball, to help the adult teeth set right. I'm guessing this sort of exercise would be done under professional guidance.
 

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Is there a specific period of time that you can return the puppy for health issues? I always have a vet appointment for the first day we have a dog so that we don't get too attached if there are obvious problems.

You're not getting registration papers, but can you register the dog yourself? Anything else sounds like a red flag for dog that costly.
 

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Mmmm that’s tricky! Have u seen pics of the puppy and underbite? What did their vet say about it. From what I’ve read over the last year of me trying to prepare for you standard. Hard to say how it will develop cause that takes time. Maybe someone on here who has a toy poodle would know more. Hate to pay that much and the dog not be what u want. Keep us posted!
thanks for answering. Hopefully someone will reply.
 

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Is there a specific period of time that you can return the puppy for health issues? I always have a vet appointment for the first day we have a dog so that we don't get too attached if there are obvious problems.

You're not getting registration papers, but can you register the dog yourself? Anything else sounds like a red flag for dog that costly.
The mother has papers but the father doesnt. I have seen photos of both. My previous poodle was purebred but w/o papers so I wasnt too concerned.
 

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I agree with Robin's post - she said it better than I did - is there a health guarantee?

Checking dental alignment is one of the first things our vet does with a new pup. I'd want my own vet's opinion.

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With no AKC registration I would give this a hard pass. I understand that is about $2100 US dollars and at that price you should for sure be getting a healthy AKC registered puppy from health tested parents. The going rate for puppies from champion parents is only $2500-3000 so it is not that different. Prices may be slightly different in Canada but my feeling is that this is not a good deal. There is the potential for very expensive dental surgery to be needed.
 

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(Cheeka, I'm sending you big hugs from afar. I'm guessing you're feeling a lot of heaviness at the moment, which can't feel great when you were so excited for the big day. We've not seen your puppy, nor do we know anything about the breeder except what you've told us. So keep in mind that all advice is well-intentioned, but fairly blind. The more you can share here, the more helpful we can be.)
 

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2800$ and no registration papers ? Even with them, it’s very expensive for a pet puppy with an underbite. At that price, you should be getting a show prospect.

I understand dogs are rare at the moment, but I doubt ethical breeders have increased their price. I would not pay that price, personnally.
 

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(Cheeka, I'm sending you big hugs from afar. I'm guessing you're feeling a lot of heaviness at the moment, which can't feel great when you were so excited for the big day. We've not seen your puppy, nor do we know anything about the breeder except what you've told us. So keep in mind that all advice is well-intentioned, but fairly blind. The more you can share here, the more helpful we can be.)
Agreed. We're only going off the few facts we have and giving personal feelings. Everybody has different priorities and nobody can tell you what's the right decision for you. We can only say what we would do under the same circumstances. But we are all in different places and have different experiences and abilities. The right decision is the one that feels right by you.
 

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We are due to pickup our toy poodle on Monday. We have been corresponding with the owner since before birth. She has shared photos of the parents & the pups. They live a good 3+ hours from us so we have not seen puppy in person.
Puppy had her shots and her physical yesterday at 8 weeks. Owner notified me that vet said all was fine health wise but did add that puppy has a slight underbite which neither parent has.
So.. Im googling like crazy and reading all sorts of stuff.
This is my dream "to be silver grey' puppy that Ive searched almost 2 yrs for. The price is $2800.00Cdn which is steep but I know poodles are rare here & these colors are nonexistent anywhere around here( middle of Canada). We are not receiving registration papers but do have to sign a non-breeding contract.
I may be oversharing but more details the better...
So ...what to do?

Awaiting any advice or comments,
Chris
in Canada
I appreciate everyone’s honesty! I know it’s costly but I also know that they are impossible to find anywhere in my middle of Canada. Can’t even look to USA now.
This isn’t a big city deal. She lives in a rural Mennonite village area. I’m in the city.
I had a purebred poodle for 15yrs, no papers..no big deal.
I should have brought up health guarantee myself but naively didn’t even think of it.
I have contacted the lady to question her Health Guarantee. Have told her we have vet appt. with puppy next week, so our vet will tell us what he thinks.
However, she will have my money by then.
How she responds will largely determine what I do.

Thanks much
Chris
 

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I would be careful. Make sure you see the puppies and the parents (goes for any dog, honestly). In my area (Ontario) there are a fair number of mennonite puppy mills. Personally, for that money I would hold out for a CKC breeder.

The questions I would ask would be :
  • what age are the father/mother? How many litters? What age did they have their first litter?
  • have they been health tested ? DNA or also elbows, eyes, etc?
  • how are they socialized?
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For that money, I would personally be inclined to pass on a dog with an underbite, if severe. Do you have a picture of her face? Perhaps someone more knowledgable than me could comment.
 

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I appreciate everyone’s honesty! I know it’s costly but I also know that they are impossible to find anywhere in my middle of Canada. Can’t even look to USA now.
This isn’t a big city deal. She lives in a rural Mennonite village area. I’m in the city.
I had a purebred poodle for 15yrs, no papers..no big deal.
I should have brought up health guarantee myself but naively didn’t even think of it.
I have contacted the lady to question her Health Guarantee. Have told her we have vet appt. with puppy next week, so our vet will tell us what he thinks.
However, she will have my money by then.
How she responds will largely determine what I do.

Thanks much
Chris
We are due to pickup our toy poodle on Monday. We have been corresponding with the owner since before birth. She has shared photos of the parents & the pups. They live a good 3+ hours from us so we have not seen puppy in person.
Puppy had her shots and her physical yesterday at 8 weeks. Owner notified me that vet said all was fine health wise but did add that puppy has a slight underbite which neither parent has.
So.. Im googling like crazy and reading all sorts of stuff.
This is my dream "to be silver grey' puppy that Ive searched almost 2 yrs for. The price is $2800.00Cdn which is steep but I know poodles are rare here & these colors are nonexistent anywhere around here( middle of Canada). We are not receiving registration papers but do have to sign a non-breeding contract.
I may be oversharing but more details the better...
So ...what to do?

Awaiting any advice or comments,
Chris
in Canada
I’ m not sure how to post w/o repeating my previous posts. 🥺
Well, we got our lil Kya who has the underbite. The breeder’s vet noted on health certificate ‘severe underbite’. We have an agreement w breeder that if our vet has concerns, we can return her.
She’s a lil one..2lbs. Has lovely coloring. Has a calm personality. Likes to be at our feet or near.
Slept through first nite but was up 3 times last night. went pee and back to sleep. She’s not much of an eater but guess that’s for me to learn about here as well.
We see the vet on Friday, and that will determine what we do. I appreciate your hesitations. I’m holding my heart in till we know.
Oh, we did see the mama and 2 other siblings. Not yappy and very friendly. Mama has had a few other litters. I know .. nothing about teeth. We are pretty hopeless.
Just thought I would update all of you.
 

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Wishing you luck with the vet visit! I am a bit peeved that the breeder said it was a slight underbite if the vet said it was severe. Hopefully your vet will have good news.

As far as the eating goes, toys can be picky eaters but do take care to watch for hypoglycemia if this is the case.
 

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Congratulations on bringing home your puppy Kya! Do you have a photo for us to gush over?

Please ask as many questions as you need to in the coming days. That's a very small girl with similar needs to an infant. You'll want to make sure her dietary needs are being met, first and foremost. I've also read from other members here that they don't leave toy puppies alone.

Maybe starting a new thread on the unique needs of toy puppies would be helpful to you. We're here for you and Kya. :)
 
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