[Harley_chik]

I love it when someone who breeds a 17 month old bitch talks about the importance of health.

And to come full circle in the breeder drama, I see that a puppy from that litter was registered as Bijou's Coralicious of K-Lar. (where is the popcorn emoticon?)

Good grief! How can you be so preachy about health and then breed a dog at that age. Thank you Cbrand for posting this info!

 

[KPoos]

its unfortunate for the "breed" that you have nothing better to do with your time than to dig up information that you can turn into somthing that it is not. exploitation and slander will not gain you popularity in the areas that you need it most and that is with those of us that are trying to breed responsibly, in retrospect you are just enabeling the very thing you dispise! too bad because your knowledge is valuable but your character is appalling

Why is it that when someone calls you out on some stupid idiotic behavior people tend to pull the "character" card? I've had this happen to me and I find it offensive that someone's character be in question just because they won't take crap from someone and they are willing to just lay it out there and say it like it is.

 

[cbrand]

Darn it! Where did you find that popcorn emoticon? I looked for it!

Anyway..... my rotten character aside, I would be willing to cut a breeder slack on breeding a Poodle who was less than 2 yrs old if there were extenuating circumstances like a ticking biological clock or if a dog was only going to be in the country for a couple of months (that happens sometimes when really hot shot European dogs come in for PCA).

But, when I once again see, a breeder breeding a young, untitled bitch to an untitled stud she has at home, it makes me go :doh:

If a breeder says that they love the breed then I expect to see them actively involved with the "fancy". This means getting out and interacting in a public way with the breed. It does not have to be conformation showing. It can be tracking, obedience, agility, hunt, or therapy work. Surely you can't have issues with the training methods used in all of these venues? Time constraints? Any breeder who has time to whelp a litter has time to put performance titles on her dogs. I was able to get a CD title on my Sabrina in one long weekend show. I can't stress enough that this type of work gives a breeder better insight into what good structure, good type and good temperament are for our breed.

About health.... a breeder who is truly concerned about health will wait to breed their dogs and bitches. There are so many disorders that we can not test for and taking a wait and see approach is prudent. When you breed a bitch at age 17 months, she could still turn around and be very, very ill with something like JRD at 2 yrs. Addisons and Epilepsy often don't rear their ugly heads until age 3-4. I know how important health is. I have had my own issues in my line. Thank God I waited to breed my Sabrina and her daughter Izze. If I had bred right away at age 2 (or earlier) I would could have 3 or maybe even 4 generations of dogs on the ground now all possibly carrying the ticking time bomb of bloat.

 

[wishpoo]

Cbrand - thanks again for great input and putting all things in it's rightful place !!! :first::deal:

 

[PonkiPoodles]

So did anyone other than me catch the connection between this breeder and Laura turner from Bijou's?

Check it out! Cora is a UKC Champion:

see new post for pictures

Congratulations to Terry Ladouceur and Laura Turner of Bantford Onterio Canada….and Cora too !!

 

[Promised Land Poodles]

Just so you know!

I am not working with Bijou, I have posted this for the benefit of others and to inform the rest of you that I am not currently, nor will I ever knowingly work with this person. I am sad for my puppy, and will do everything possible to see that this type of thing doe not happen again.

Beware of doing business with Bijou Standard Pooles, K-lar Standard Poodles, Laura, or as she identified herself to me..."Terry Ladecoure" She will contact you as a novice breeder, purchase breeding rights and will breed the dog without compliance to contract agreements. This is a very deceptive person. I will provide you with the email addresses I know of and the business names I know of. If anyone has any information for me regarding this breeder please let me know. When Laura was finished with "Cora" Bijou's Coralicious of K-Lar (you will not find her on poodlepedigree.com) she offered her back to me, but as the time approched for pick up I was not able to verify the flight...when I called the airlines they said that the flight had been booked by "TheLaShop" not by Laura Turner and that the flight had been cancelled the day before the flight pick up in Lethbridge. I contacted Laura about this and she said it was booked...I was never able to confirm that flight so she cancelled the sale the day of supposed delivery and refunded my money. She sent me an air canada flight notification and everything, problem is it was not verifiable!!!! check these things as they may look authentic but they must be verified. I am sad that I was not able to get Cora back, Laura tells me she was sold to a nice couple and was spayed, however she will not give me the names of the couple so that I can verify that either.
HFDfirerescue
Bijou Standard Poodles
K-lar

the following is an email from "Terry" just so you can see how she works! She had me convinced that she was a new poodle owner, not a large scale breeding organization!!

Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:04:19 -0700
Subject: RE: Cora


Hi Deborah,

Laura went a head and paid you for me.
Laura is her name.
She said there was a paypal link on your page for the amount of $1250.00
so that should cover the $36.00 paypal fee (3% on the amount of $1200.00 price) for Cora (?).
I'm sorry to be so pushy and I hope and pray that this is OK.
I just didn't wish to miss out on getting such a lovely girl, over my inability to cross the border.

I have sent away for my passport...which they tell me is only a "renewal" as I had an old expired one, so it won't take as long as if I were applying for one. "IF" my passport doesn't come in time, then either Laura or Chloe will be going to pick her up from the airport for me in 2-3 weeks time. My friend Jackie will not be able to go until November and that is too far off... I pray my passport comes in time, as I was reading that a poodle will bond with the first person they give kisses to

Chloe is in University so she is available Thursdays or weekends only.
I'm just waiting to hear back from her when she has to go to pick up her kitten
or what dates the breeder gave her to work with.
What works best for YOU so we can figure and plan for a date ?
This is all going ot work out and I'm so excited !!!!!!
Thanks for your patience !
Can I have your permission to have photos of her parents and the photo of her as a baby off of your web page or would you be able to send me ones to have ?
I am wishing to start a photo album.
I'm so excited !!!!!!!
My own Standard Poodle girl FINALLY !!!!

I pray that she and I might bond quickly and she will trust me and have fun with me as...
there is a UKC show here in November that I was supposed to go to help my friend at.
Would be so very cool to show Cora there...
IF we win I will send you a show photo !
I think in order to "finish" she has to beat another poodle or win a group.
I"m not "expecting" that but if she is up to it, it would be fun.


Is there anything that Cora enjoys having such as a certain toy or treat so I can start shopping for her ? Does Cora like a certain style of doggy bed (rectangle or round).
OH and what type of food do you feed her so I can see if we carry it here in Canada !!!!
OH this is going to be so much fun !!!!

By the way... expect to hear from my co-worker... he has fallen in love with your red puppy named "Baby"... LOL

I'm driving everyone at work nuts here waiting to hear from you and when I can get
my Cora

 

[ArreauStandardPoodle]

WOW!!!!! All I can say is WOW!!!!! Thank you for this information!!!

 

[Keithsomething]

you know...no matter what ones opinion on you as a breeder is Promise Land...being taken advantage of is never ok

hopefully you write a letter to the various clubs and associations she is connected to and let them know how completely ridiculous she is making them look just by having an association with her

clubs I'd write to:

Apricot/Red Poodle Club
Apricot Red Poodle Club

Canadian Kennel Club
Canadian Kennel Club

Multi-Colored Poodle Club
Multi-Colored Poodle Club

 

[JE-UK]

no one said that conformation is not important however I think that health is more important and so should you! and since my dogs are very healthy and i have made that public you should then assume by your statement that they are also correct in comformation...since in your statement you claims they go hand. The attitudes of "some" show people is the reason why more people dont title their dogs. And titles in no way better the breed. They only make people like yourself feel good about "you" How about you spend more time being kind and helpful to others that are breeding-that is what is truly going to better the breed.

I am new to poodles, so defer to others with regard to poodle expertise. However, I do have history with horses and equine rehab, and the constant refrain of backyard breeders (the ones who keep the meat auctions in business) sounds similar .... "oh, showing is so political, there is no point, it doesn't prove anything."

It does prove something.

With horses, there are a number of ways to prove the ability and soundness of your horse ... breed shows, dressage, hunters, WP, endurance. Same with dogs. The purpose of these pursuits (other than the fact that they are just a lot of fun) is to demonstrate publicly that your animal is sound and healthy and able to perform a function sufficient to succeed.

There are undoubtedly some abuses in breed shows. There is also an enormous population of dedicated dog lovers, who spend untold amounts of time and money in what can be a pretty thankless pursuit. Titles DO better the breed. And they are concrete evidence that a breeder has the IMPROVEMENT of the breed in mind.

 

[JE-UK]

Why is it that when someone calls you out on some stupid idiotic behavior people tend to pull the "character" card? I've had this happen to me and I find it offensive that someone's character be in question just because they won't take crap from someone and they are willing to just lay it out there and say it like it is.

KPoos, it's call an ad hominem argument, which is a fancy Latin way of saying, if you can't defend your position with logic, attack the person instead.

 

[3dogs]

Wow!!!

Can I just say from a Novice person seeking a future poodle that the Bijou/l-lar is a very deceptive website.

I am assuming from reading some of the posts on here that this Kennel/breeder is NOT on the up & up. Her website though boasts much of what everyone here say's to look for. Now I didn't read the whole site of Bijou so didn't look for health BUT what was stated was UKC Ch. status on at least one dog the "Cora" dog from Promise Land, 2. there are obedience titles, agility pictures (though it looks like the back yard) etc... So, in all honesty whether the info is true or not on the website it looks fairly legit to a Novice Looking to purchase a dog.

Now I have been with dogs for over 15 years, mostly my mutts showing in UKC, ASCA, TT, CGC etc. doing obedience & Agility, tracking. I have only researched 1 purebreed dog & that was 10 years ago. Went with a great show breeder of Cresteds. Anyhow, I am a Novice when it comes to the pure's & deciding on a breeder. I have been grooming dogs for 10 years. So, I do have some dog knowledge. I feel really sorry for people that are true Novice owners looking for a Pet because frankly Bijou has a good website that sucks one in.

I think it would benefit the Novice dog purchaser in ways to avoid the "traps" set by unethical, high volume etc... dog breeders. Not that I would purchase a dog from another Country, or very much have never met the breeder & seen the home the dogs have grown up in BUT I am finding that difficult when I am looking for my small standard (Klein, Moyen) that the breeders I am looking at are across the country from me. So, besides the obvious red flags what are the more subtle "red flags". Again I would not have thought from the glance that I looked at that this "breeder" in Canada was a horrendous, high volume person.

 

[Promised Land Poodles]

Banned from poodle forum for dishonesty

The deception of the owner of Bijou Standard Poodles runs deep...previously on this forum she was banned for getting cought in her lies under the aliases "toomoxie", and "tinypoodles" perhaps others that im not aware of...im sure someone out there can fill in those gaps!

 

[Olie]

If there was a contract couldn't you have gotten legal advice over this situation? When did this happen to you? I seen the email was dated a couple years ago. NOT that you are not being honest as I am sure you are. I hate that this happened to you or anyone.