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Probable cruciate issues - (nope! Not cruciate :) !)

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Annie has had an intermittent limp. She will favour one leg a bit for a walk or two after a big hike, just enough thst you look and ask 'is she limping? I cant tell?". We had a big day on Sunday, and it got worse.

I took her to the vet yesterday. She is still cheerfully weight bearing on it, walking on it, running on it, etc, but vet suspects cruciate sprain or beginnings of chronic tear.

I am to rest her and see what happens.

i've decided to be very cautious, because i'd rather do a long, slow months long recovery now rather than if she really tears it and needs a slow, months long recovery after surgery.

Particularly after I watched Annie take off running into the kitchen this morning, and saw her bad leg fly out and skid around a corner. She has been a lot more careful in the kitchen since that so i suspect it hurt.

Here's my tentative plan for the first month:

  • Switch rooms with my mom, so we are on the main floor and Annie isnt doing our steep, terribly slippery stairs. Sleep on couch until rooms are switched.
  • Add a footstool to get onto the bed, which is higher than mine, and enforce using it.
  • Really get serious about enforcing smaller portions for meals
  • Multiple 5 min slow saunters of the yard daily or maybe a few houses down, no long walks. Also no offleash walks, and only using her short leash, no long line or flexi. Plus sitting in the yard on leash and in the garden.
  • Squeaky balls put away.
  • Add carpet to the living room, bedroom, and the kitchen, if i can get away with it. This is difficult as my mom has a bad leg and hates rugs. So... carpet tape/sticky things and big rugs are on order.
  • Keep door to the porch closed to avoid running in the house to get outside.
  • Be careful to keep her feet clean shaved.
  • I'll consider getting her crate out of the shed and putting it in freezer room, crating for a few hours per day. But she isnt hugely active in the house so i may be able to get away without it.
  • increase omega3s in food. I found a study showing some effect.

If it gets worse, there is an orthopedic surgeon who i'd likely take her to for a second opinion aand i would use if she needs surgery. And i've heard good things about a local dog physiotherapist.

But ugh. Annie! Never a dull moment.
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Oh no! So sorry. Your plan looks good. I hope you can convince Annie itsfor her own good. Hope you have a speedy recovery, Annie
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Big one is keeping her from jumping, poodles are so dang bouncy. Beatrice ruptured her cruciates ligament doing just that.
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This sounds like a really good plan. Even just eliminating stairs could have big benefits, as I’ve experienced with my own injuries.

Is weight a factor? I know her appetite has been a challenge due to medication.
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This sounds like a really good plan. Even just eliminating stairs could have big benefits, as I’ve experienced with my own injuries.

Is weight a factor? I know her appetite has been a challenge due to medication.

Weight is probably a factor. She's not skinny, although, being a poodle she doesnt look terribly overweight and she has a tuck up.

There is an ongoing longterm discussion in my house over how much she should get fed and how much she should weigh. Plus, she is a fantastic scavenger. I have emphasized that keeping her lean is the most important thing for preventing issues in the other knee. And i am going to try to be the person who feeds the dogs more consistently. Plus we've switched treats to help Trixie lose weight, so Annie is getting fewer calories there too.

Our super slippery floors are also likely a factor, plus how she sometimes skids when chasing a ball.
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I switched to throwing a water bumper instead of a ball for Beatrice and recently for Nell, who tweaked her hip running after the ball (got to protect the growing legs)
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IMO, slippery floors are harder on us and our doggos than we realize. My 98 yr old house has beautiful maple floors, and I was reluctant to cover them with rugs after I had them refinished. It didn't take long for me to add a few area rugs for my comfort as well as for my spoos - it's a lot more physical work to move around without slipping on uncovered floors. My feet, my knees, and my hips are much happier with rugs, and I assume the same is true for the dogs I've had.
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I am so grateful to this brilliant community. I just get this sense that, even when I am not struggling a particular something, I can tuck some poodle-specific ideas or learning away in my brain. I wish I could offer you some wisdom in turn! Wishing you and Annie good luck. Also, Bennie says she'll keep an eye on chasing chippies in the meantime.
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I think you’re right about the slippery floor. The big skids are the most noticeable, but I’m sure all the little slips here and there add up.
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Wishing you both the best in this - you'll get there. Sounds like a great program.
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Sending healing thoughts for this recovery.
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I have put non skid bathroom rugs all over the house to make a path for my mini poodles. I watch them to see where they make sharp turns and re position the mats in those spots. It looks a little funky since none of the mats match. I tried yoga mats for awhile but the human family members were tripping. I got a really large rug for the family room and they love to play on it. Mini poodles are bouncy and active. Hope the rest helps!!!
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Praying for your sweet girl <3 I can imagine how stressful this is. You are such a good mommy to her.
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Poppy recovered well from a probable partial tear with rest - she doesn't exactly run or jump anymore but at that stage she was still managing stairs and I carried her up and down till the vet gave the all clear. Your plan looks very sensible - good luck.
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Will your mom be okay with the stairs? You don't want to trade one problem for another.
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Poor Annie says I'm mean. No jumping on a friend who visited, no letting friend take her on a walk or a run. She is feeling better. Oh dear.

She was also unamused with sleeping on the couch. Inadequate snuggling, stupid human, it's middle of the night, let's go upstairs to bed!

Will your mom be okay with the stairs? You don't want to trade one problem for another.
I think so. My room is actually her old room, we only built the downstairs bedroom a couple years ago.

She's been talking about switching the upstairs sewing room downstairs for better light and moving back upstairs for a while now.

I think the bigger issue will be that my mattress isnt great.
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Keeping an active spoo quiet is, I'm sure everyone is astonished to hear, not the easiest thing to do.

She tends to be doing her "just barely limping/is she limping?" thing in the morning, and "oops, she overdid it, she's really limping" thing in the evening, so I am trying to cut back on the walks on concrete, which is where I really notice the limping.

But I really think her careening around the house is more of the issue.

I have the bottom of the stairs blocked most of the time, but she seems to manage to make it upstairs at least twice a day. Hopefully, as she gets used to the new routine she will no longer make a break for it to get upstairs in the evening. This morning she obviously forgot where I was, ran upstairs to find me, then slid down the stairs when she heard me downstairs. Oops.

Yesterday the wind blew the gate open and she ran out. Actually, both dogs ran out.

She definitely isnt feeling 100%. Usually if she makes it out, she runs joyfully at top speed through at least 4 neighbours' yards before coming back to me; instead she just ran next door and came back to me for her soccer ball without huge enthusiasm. I escorted her to the fenced in garden, then grabbed Trixie, then grabbed a turkey wing, and I think Annie thought THAT was worth recalling for!

The rug I bought is in the downstairs bedroom. Getting her to use a stool to get up is at about 50% success rate, but at least the rug stops the skid. Today I will be installing the rug in the living room after finally rescuing it from the back of my storage unit, hoping the carpet tape I ordered will arrive today or tomorrow. I really wish I could put rugs in the kitchen which is where she really picks up speed, but even these two are testing my mother's balance.

I've been looking into various forms of dog toe nail covers that go on the back middle toes of the dog for added traction which I've seen recommended for cruciate injury recovery. I've got some doubts about their efficacy and their durability, and the price is rather eye-watering for what amounts to 20-40 small pieces of rubber.
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Progress! Today's the first day Annie didnt progress beyond "slightly limping" by evening. Now i just need to repeat it.

Changes: carpet in the living room, fewer 5 min walks (if it were up to Annie, we'd go on one every 2 min), and we kept entirely off pavement. Successfully kept her off the stairs all day. I'm at about 50% on getting Annie to use a stool to get on and off the bed. I also added 3-5 reps of some very mild dog physiotherapy exercises. She was confused, but cooperative.

All the animals seem to like the rug, and they all attemped to assist me as i affixed it to the floor with a full roll of carpet tape. Who knew it needed tooth marks for correct application? Here's to hoping no one throws up on it!

Dog Dog breed Carnivore Companion dog Water dog

Cat Felidae Carnivore Small to medium-sized cats Grey
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These days I only buy machine washable rugs in sizes that will fit in my machine. 'Nuff said!
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