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Hi all,

So I’ve had my beautiful puppy 5 weeks, 2 of those were she spent at the vet. Week 1 potty training was going really well and she would go to the back door when she needed a wee/poo. After we got her back I was actually staying somewhere else so training kind of reset.
She’s been back two weeks and we have had a few accidents, but I’ve been watching her constantly. I live in Dubai so it’s getting hotter and it seems like Bow just doesn’t want to go for a poo outside. She’s been sniffing around and the accidents happen in the kitchen.

I’ve been rewarding her with praise and sometimes treats when she does go. But is there anything I can do to encourage more signaling rather than her sneaking off to the kitchen.

she’s super smart and picking up other tricks really quickly. Obviously it takes time I just feel she was getting it but now isn’t. Today, the door was open, her potty grass was by the door, I had treats and called her over as she was sniffing, she walked to the door then just went inside while looking at me 😂

I crate train her at night and she only wakes once after around 3-4 hours to go potty and I take her outside.


I’ve been reading loads and here stories of potty trainings completely after a week or two and I think if I don’t watch her she’ll definitely go in the kitchen not towards back door.

Is this normal pace of progress or could I do more
  • Should I try bell training
  • Should I up the rewards for pottying on her patch
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This sounds normal. It takes time. Especially when there are changes in the environment that make it more pleasant to go inside. If you don’t have her on a leash right now, you might want to try that so you can keep a close eye on her. If you need to, remember it’s okay to pick her up to take her out before she makes an accident.

I understand she had parvo—maybe she’s having a little trouble holding it? I know I’m in the bathroom 24/7 after I’m sick 😅

I would hold off the bell training until after you’ve finished potty training. Personally, I’ve found that it just confuses the dog more, since it adds an extra ‘layer’ of training on top of it all.

What I would do, however, is make sure you are treating every single time she goes, and make a big deal out of it, too, even for a while after you think she’s finally got it. You want to really cement the idea that going outside is waaaayyy better than in the kitchen.

Keep going at it—some dogs just take a while.
 

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A lot of people are pretty big on house training early - they do 24/7 crating and tethering, bring the dog out every 2 hrs, etc, etc.

I wasn't that strict, and it wasn't a huge priority for me. I brought her out every 2-3 hrs, praised and gave treats for going outside, and used an enzyme cleaner on any indoor spots, but didn't fuss it too much for the first 2 months or so. I also didn't use a bell, just relied on watching her and keeping a schedule. I read a few articles that pointed out that perfect house training is very difficult with a <6 month old puppy, and much easier once they have better bladder control.

More important to me, with limited time, was socialization and "find me" training - puppies have a limited window where they are really receptive to new experiences, so I used a socialization checklist and found her as many experiences as possible (new dogs, people, sounds, garbage trucks, whatever), and also spent a lot of time with her in a safe area off leash, with treats, practicing that if she doesn't keep watching me, I disappear behind a bush or something (foundations for recall training and later off leash taining), then made a big fuss and gave her a treat when she found me. Both the desire to not lose her "people" and socialization have a pretty limited window where they are easy so that's what I focused on.

YMMV, but more than 2 weeks to potty train seems pretty normal to me!
 

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for want of poodle..this was always me...potty training 1,2,3...I will be getting another dog into the house in a few months. (lost out boxer, adult daughters dog). My daughter is lost without her pal and frankly though Renn loves her, he is glued to me. So...I plan to help her train him as she works everyday. Socialization will be #1 priority, noises, new dogs, sounds etc will be on my priority list. Renn has always been slightly fearful and I did it wrong with him so its taking me forever to help him get over his fears and reactiveness. I realize a lot was my own doing.
 

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A lot of people are pretty big on house training early - they do 24/7 crating and tethering, bring the dog out every 2 hrs, etc, etc.

I wasn't that strict, and it wasn't a huge priority for me. I brought her out every 2-3 hrs, praised and gave treats for going outside, and used an enzyme cleaner on any indoor spots, but didn't fuss it too much for the first 2 months or so. I also didn't use a bell, just relied on watching her and keeping a schedule. I read a few articles that pointed out that perfect house training is very difficult with a <6 month old puppy, and much easier once they have better bladder control.

More important to me, with limited time, was socialization and "find me" training - puppies have a limited window where they are really receptive to new experiences, so I used a socialization checklist and found her as many experiences as possible (new dogs, people, sounds, garbage trucks, whatever), and also spent a lot of time with her in a safe area off leash, with treats, practicing that if she doesn't keep watching me, I disappear behind a bush or something (foundations for recall training and later off leash taining), then made a big fuss and gave her a treat when she found me. Both the desire to not lose her "people" and socialization have a pretty limited window where they are easy so that's what I focused on.

YMMV, but more than 2 weeks to potty train seems pretty normal to me!
Thanks for this. Socialization is very important to me but we are in total lockdown here in Dubai and she won’t be fully vaccinated for another month because of having Parvo. Any tips for socializing within these constraints she’s now 12 weeks will be able to go out at 16
 

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This sounds normal. It takes time. Especially when there are changes in the environment that make it more pleasant to go inside. If you don’t have her on a leash right now, you might want to try that so you can keep a close eye on her. If you need to, remember it’s okay to pick her up to take her out before she makes an accident.

I understand she had parvo—maybe she’s having a little trouble holding it? I know I’m in the bathroom 24/7 after I’m sick 😅

I would hold off the bell training until after you’ve finished potty training. Personally, I’ve found that it just confuses the dog more, since it adds an extra ‘layer’ of training on top of it all.

What I would do, however, is make sure you are treating every single time she goes, and make a big deal out of it, too, even for a while after you think she’s finally got it. You want to really cement the idea that going outside is waaaayyy better than in the kitchen.

Keep going at it—some dogs just take a while.
Thanks this is great. Sounds like pretty much what I’m doing but maybe up there enthusiasm and treats again.
 

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I think the best thing you can do for now is take Bow out at least every 2 hours during the day and over time increase the amount of time between very slowly. When waking up from naps, after eating, after a play session are times puppies often have to potty. It will be while until she shows signs to go out. And won’t be reliably potty trained until at least 6 months old, the majority of dogs take at least that long!

What I personally did was keep Lacey in a wire exercise pen attached to her crate for most of the day, except for short time periods where I brought her out of it and watched her like a hawk so she had less opportunities to have accidents in the house. Although accidents still happened sometimes as I let her earn more time out of the pen and/or increased the time between taking outside. I’d have to go backwards and decrease the time sometimes if she had an accident. I kept notes for what time she peed or pooped To help me remember and keep track, and would note if it was an accident. (I am a very detail oriented person and still keep notes on Lacey’s pee and poop times)

The most important thing is not to scold her if she does have an accident inside. That will teach her that it’s bad to potty in front of you. Dogs having accidents in the house are our fault, not our dog’s!

I recommend potty bells. Don’t expect Bow to properly use them to alert you to go out for a couple months. But start using them now. Take her paw and make it hit the bells before going out the door, then put it out of reach when you come back in so she’s not just using them as a play toy between times you take her out. Eventually she’ll make the connection and use them to let you know she has to go out. Once she’s to that point she will start to abuse them just because she wants to go outside for a change of scenery. For awhile you’ll be taking her out a ton until you learn when she’s bluffing and just wants to go outside. If that sounds like too much you could always hold off on training her to use the potty bells. Potty training is a long and slow process!

The last thing I’ll add is to allow her access to fresh water 24 hours a day, even in her crate at night. Puppies get dehydrated easily. Restricting water isn’t necessary for potty training. Just controlling their environment is needed. Also, you live in a hot environment and poodles don’t deal with hot weather. Is her potty spot in the shade? That might help her be more comfortable in her potty spot.

Glad you’ve now been able to start the tiring, adorable, patience testing, joyful time of raising your puppy. 🥰
 

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I have a happy smile on my face that you are posting about the normal trials and tribulations of puppyhood, rather than the terrifying ordeal of parvo. My advice is not to place too much reliance on the stories of puppies housetrained in a week or two - they go along with those of babies that sleep through the night from the first day and lifelong marriages resulting from love at first sight across a crowded room - they may happen, but are not what most people experience! Toy puppies are notorious for taking longer to housetrain, in part because it is harder to spot the signs and in part because it really does seem to take them longer to gain control. Most get there in the end, though.

Socialising under lockdown is hard- this article may have helpful ideas: Socializing Your Puppy During the COVID-19 Pandemic
 

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Thanks for this. Socialization is very important to me but we are in total lockdown here in Dubai and she won’t be fully vaccinated for another month because of having Parvo. Any tips for socializing within these constraints she’s now 12 weeks will be able to go out at 16
Hmmm.... good question. I know very little about the restrictions in Dubai and a 2 min google didnt bring up much. First I would be playing noises - you can find tracks on YouTube or whatever that are meant for puppy socialization of things falling, loud noises, tarps blowing, kids, dogs,etc.

I dont know if it's possible with the restrictions, and my friends from Dubai have mentioned there isnt much foot traffic, but if you can go and stand outside for a while in a place where people walk by, that is a good thing. Sitting with the puppy in a parking lot might be good, too (with the windows rolled down). Are there other dogs in your apartment building you can watch together? Even a car ride where the puppy can see out the crate might be good.
 

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I think different noises are very good. Even a little tub filled with empty soda /plastic bottles. He could climb in and out of, and the tube videos , opening and closing of trash cans. Cars going by and children. We didn't have children around at all and there are no nearby parks where they play. So my guy reacts when he hears them shrieking while playing.
 
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