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Hi My Standard just had her puppies but she will not take them she just looks at them and walks off. she would not even take the sacs off we had to do it all. two of them all but died I had to rub them myself and get them going. we have now taken them away and luckly my son has a doxie that has three week old babies and she has taken over the poodles. She is feeding them and has then all snuggle right in with her little ones however I think this is way too much for her to handle. I have done everything to try and get my Vanka to take her babies I tried for hours but she just wont have anything to do with them I had to finally give them to the doxie hoping she would feed them as they needed fed. I have never had this happen before as I have raised litters in years past and they have always been just fine got right in there and been mom. This is Vanka first litter I was planning on breeding her three times before getting her fixed but now I"m having second thoughts as I don't want her to reject all the litters. I just lucked out having a nurse maid that could care for these little angels. Please any help would be wonderful. Like I said this is my first time at a mother rejecting her pups.
 

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How many did she have? How old is she?

I never trust a first time mother to know what she is doing be it ripping sacks or nursing or cleaning bottoms.

I would check her teats to see if they are hot and inflamed making her not want to nurse, are you positive she delivered all of the puppies? Did she show any signs of nesting? You might have to end up bottle feeding and just having Vanka fixed.

Some dogs are just not meant to me mothers.

Just because I'm curious what do you breed for?
 

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I have finally got her to feed as long as I'm there with her.
but when I move so does she. so I'm bottle feeding and the doxie is still nursing but We did lose one this morning she was not doing well from the start her and one sister were very small more than half the size of the rest and this one was not pooping right and when she did it was pure blood I have been up with her for two nights strait but she finally gave up this morning. the poor little doxie cried and cried when I took her I felt so bad. I just hope the other little one pulls through. but the other five are growing and doing wonderful. Vanka is only 17 months this batch was a surprise as we caught going into heat and though we got our male away in time but we did not. she never showed any signs of nesting. she never got bigger and she never swelled in the nipple till after birth.
I breed only once or twice as I'm a firm believer that a female should always be a mom at least once as this will make her better with children and I also believe that she should have the chance to be a mommy at least once. however Vanka I believe is just not going to prove that there is always one that breaks the rules. I usually don't let me females breed till they are 2 1/2 but as this was an accident there was nothing we could do. Thanks for the help.
 

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wow you can not tell from my post I had been up for almost 48 hours. I made a lot of errors in my spelling and what I was saying sorry about that. I lost the second little girl this afternoon. She was the one I thought would not make it from the start when she was born she was so thin her little ribs were pushing out. I'm a natural healer that is my profession so when I first seen this little one I knew there was only a small chance she would make it as she was showing many signs of poor health and she never ate on her own from the start I had to help her. then on the second day the other little one was showing the same signs they were both so small. But you always hope in your heart they will pull through. however I knew they were suffering and this was not what I wanted I did hope they would pull through but God had other plans for them. However the other 5 are doing wonderful and are growing like a weed. They are already starting to play with my son's Doxie's puppies and are just wonderful. I will continue feeding and will let the Doxie keep them as she has decided they are hers. she is not taking the two little ones death easy and she is very mad at me for taking them. I wish to thank you for your post. I'm now going to take a nap.
 

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With her being so young explains a lot of what went wrong, she is just to immature to be having puppies.

I breed only once or twice as I'm a firm believer that a female should always be a mom at least once as this will make her better with children and I also believe that she should have the chance to be a mommy at least once.
I'll have to kindly disagree, there is no proof that they are better with children. Dogs do not have the mental concept of "mommy", they do not care weather or not they have puppies and do not long to have a litter. And your situation kind of proves that just because the dog can have a litter does not mean she wants to ;)

Good luck with the rest of the puppies.
 

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This is where you are very wrong

I'm sorry that you feel that way you must not know much about animals. It is a proven fact and if you ask 90% of vets will agree that they are better if they have at least one batch as they have a very high motherly instinct and are much better with children if they have been a mother before. also as the motherly thing goes every animal has that more so than humans. in fact know a Female Husky that will take in stray animal everything from cats, and Rabbit to other puppies she produces the milk and raises them this dog is the second I have know to do such a thing they. I also know of a dog who longs for puppies so bad she takes she has been known to take other puppies from their mother's and try and nurse however she was fixed at 6 months against the advise of the vet as he told the lady she should have at least one litter and now she regrets it so much. Also if they don't have a motherly instinct why then did the Doxie cry and howl today when the babies died and then she even went as far as to get the box they were in and take it back to her littler before we had time to bury the puppies that had passed. no this comment of yours was a good example of how people do not understand animals. I usually don't get on these forums because of such people and now you have just proven why I don't. I will not be returning and I do hope I have not upset or hurt you as this was not my inttention. however the fact that you do not know how much a dog can care is a sad thing indeed. DOGS like most animals have more of a motherly instinct than any Human will ever have.
However you are right about the fact that she was way too young a mistake on my part that I thought had not been made but was. But on the plus side She is nursing on her own tonight and cleaning as well. Thanks for you input even if it does show you do not know much about Dogs.
 

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I pride my self on what I know about dogs and it seams to me you are a bit deluded when it comes to how they think. It sounds like to me that your are projecting human emotions onto your animals, I highly doubt the Dachshund was sad the puppies were gone. She knew how many pups she should have and when they went missing she acted on instinct to bring them back to the nest, she was not "sad" they had died.

Any vet who recommends a dog (or any animal for that matter) have a litter of puppies is not a vet I would take my own animals too.

I have 7 dogs of my own and only one had a litter of puppies (she was a foster) and have had over 100 animals come though my home as a foster parent with my local rescue and they are all great with children. How dogs act around humans comes down to training not weather or not it has given birth.

I hope you do not leave this forum because it seams you have a lot to learn hints why you ask for help in the first place. Granted I do not know everything about dogs and never claimed I did but I do know what I have learned is the truth and would not lie about what I know.

I hope all of the dog you have let have puppies did not contribute to the millions of dogs dieing in shelters.

Good luck and good day. :)
 

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I thought you were one of those type that think they know all about animal and if you feel you can give 7 dogs the love they need you are sadly mistaken. A dog needs love and you can in no way give 7 dogs the love they need. I asked for help because This is my first time owning a dog that did not take over right away. and also my first standard poodle pair so I was hoping for help from someone that knew what they were talking about. It is a sad person that can not admit they need help at times I am not one who believes I know everything therefor I'm open to help and comments this is how we learn. however as to the vet comment any vet that does not know this is not a very good vet or they just don't want to get into it with people like you and so they know when to be honest and when to just tell you what you want to hear. however the comment on the animal in the shelter how dare you. I have had 7 litters of puppies all of which went to very good very loving homes who always kept in touch with me and sent up dates picture at times. I screen my families and have been breeding for over 30 years and in those 30 years only had 7 litters so you don't know what you are talking about there. I also have fostered many dogs however I find the right home for the dog I do it in my own way but I feel it is as good as other's. people who do not wish to care for their dogs anymore bring them to me as they now I will not put them down I will find the right home. I do not believe in allowing people to have more dogs than they can give the right love too. if they can not devote themselves to the dog they are not the right home for them. I do hope that some day you will understand that a dog has very high motherly instinct and needs love just as a human does. This has always been the case This is how God created them. and yes the Doxie was crying I was there I heard here she and I cried together for a little while. She has feelings they all have feelings and Motherly instinct however you will never understand this as you are one of those people who think they know everything and think that a dog is just a dog. This always upsets me people who think a dog is just a dog this is why they do not care about the animal and why the shelter's are over run it is because people do not believe in the dogs ability to be caring and loving. let me ask you what makes you the expert on who should breed and who should not. because someone asked for help you think they don't know anything and should not be a breeder. I don't consider my self a breeder 7 litters in 30 years I don't think would be considered a breeder however what if I were because I was willing to admit that a mistake had been made and ask for a little advise makes me a bad person. No this is what makes a good breeder a person who is willing to admit they do not know everything and need some input and advise from other in who may have experienced the same thing. I do not wish to fight with you so this will be my last reply and I will not be returning as I have a hard time with youngster that think they now everything and are never willing to learn. If you feel a dog does not have motherly instinct or feelings you are very wrong but that is your right to think this way. I too believe that a dog should be fixed however only if the owner feels that is best for them I have a very hard time with all these half pit half lab half what ever dogs out there that are not wanted however that is their right as Americans to not fix their dog if they don't want too. it is not your place to decide who should breed and who should not. The breeder is not the bad person it is the family or person who takes an animal that they have no intension on loving for the life of the animal they are the ones in the wrong. or the puppy mills they too are wrong but this is America and they have a right just as you have the right to feel the way you do and i have the right to feel the way I do. but don't ever say I contributed to such a thing. I have saved more dogs in just this past year than most people do in a life time. as I said before I'm a natural healer and I do house calls at no charge on animals. and with the exception of my two little angels today. I have never lost a dog yet. I think this is why it was so hard to lose these two little angels even though I could see when they were born they had problems I still had hope in my heart. I knew they were not right they were two small and they never really moved much but I did my best.
Do not be so quick to judge my dear for someday you too will need advise and this will not make you a bad person it will make you a smarter person so don't hesitate to ask for it. and I do hope you can give all 7 of you babies the love they need because if you do the day will come they will be there for you when you need them with all the love you have given them they will give back to you believe it or not I have seen first hand the miracle that a dog can bring into a person's life I have even known many dogs to save the life of a person.
and this is because they love much more than you think they do.
Good Bye
 

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if you feel you can give 7 dogs the love they need you are sadly mistaken. A dog needs love and you can in no way give 7 dogs the love they need.
My dogs, all of my animals are very well taken care of, I am with my animals all day every day as I work at home but I do not feel the need to defend myself to you.

however as to the vet comment any vet that does not know this is not a very good vet or they just don't want to get into it with people like you and so they know when to be honest and when to just tell you what you want to hear. however the comment on the animal in the shelter how dare you. I have had 7 litters of puppies all of which went to very good very loving homes who always kept in touch with me and sent up dates picture at times. I screen my families and have been breeding for over 30 years and in those 30 years only had 7 litters so you don't know what you are talking about there.
You are sadly mistaken and your vet must be very old because now a days puppies and kittens can be fixed as early as 8 weeks old and they go on to live healthy normal lives. Any vet who tells you what you want to hear is not a good vet by my book. I have worked with my vet and other vet on spaying and neutering and not a single one has ever turned a dog away because it was to young or has not had a litter.

She has feelings they all have feelings and Motherly instinct however you will never understand this as you are one of those people who think they know everything and think that a dog is just a dog. This always upsets me people who think a dog is just a dog this is why they do not care about the animal and why the shelter's are over run it is because people do not believe in the dogs ability to be caring and loving. let me ask you what makes you the expert on who should breed and who should not. because someone asked for help you think they don't know anything and should not be a breeder.
Now you are taking what I said out of context. I never said dogs do not have feelings I strongly believe they have a soul just like an other animal but they do NOT yearn and plan like humans do to give birth and have their very own little doggie family. They know how to breed, deliver and hopefully nurse. Any emotions brought on by hormones leave once the litter is gone. My dog are my children as I do not wish to have any of the human kind.

Well first off if someone has had 7 litters of puppies I sure hope they have read EVERYTHING about raising puppies on what to expect and to expect the unexpected. Everyone should ask for help and I know I have and will continue to do so but when its a question they "breeder" should know I find it upsetting they have had puppies in the first place, be is an accident or planned.

I too believe that a dog should be fixed however only if the owner feels that is best for them I have a very hard time with all these half pit half lab half what ever dogs out there that are not wanted however that is their right as Americans to not fix their dog if they don't want too. it is not your place to decide who should breed and who should not. The breeder is not the bad person it is the family or person who takes an animal that they have no intension on loving for the life of the animal they are the ones in the wrong. or the puppy mills they too are wrong but this is America and they have a right just as you have the right to feel the way you do and i have the right to feel the way I do. but don't ever say I contributed to such a thing.
If you brought the dog into the world it is YOUR fault when it brings more to the over population. Unless you have personally had your puppies spayed and neutered how do you know they are not having puppies and then those pups are having pups and so on? Americans have lost their "right" to have unaltered dogs unless you are are an avid show person who is breeding toward a standard be it a working dog or a conformation dog to better the breed you do not need to be breeding dogs.

Next time you start talking about rights and breeding think about the MILLIONS of dogs, purebred and mixed breed, who are put to sleep because of careless 'breeders" and people who do not have their dogs fixed. I have met so many people like you who have never been to a shelters back room and seen just exactly goes on, its the uneducated people who turn over their dogs and who dump unwanted puppies.

Good on you for "rescuing" animals its not an easy job but I would think anyone who has rescued an animal would see that buy having useless puppies is just that, useless.

I'm sorry you were offended and feel the need to leave, I myself have just joined and I love to talk about things like this, I am a blunt person and can not, will not sit back when some comes along and says they breed their dogs three times before having them fixed and yet does not know what to do when one rejects a litter.

I do not know you and nor you I but I have only "had" one litter of puppies in my life time and that was a rescued Pit Bull who had 15 solid black puppies. I had NEVER birthed a litter yet being a "youngster" as you put it I knew exactly what I needed to do as this dog was a first time mother and a young one at that, I read everything that I can about dogs in every aspect of dogs. From psychology to health to training to breeding. I do know what I am talking about, if I did not I would not have said anything in the first place. :)

Good day and post some picture of the Poodles and the Dachshunds if you like, I'm sure they are adorable!
 

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I have been following you two all day and I do have to put in my two cents.
to purple poodle you are very interesting in your post I myself know many vets who are very good and very highly recommended and they will tell you it is a good idea to breed your female once.
You are right how the dog is around people is how they are raised. But I do also believe as do many who really know what they are doing that it is a good thing if you have the means for the female to have a litter. However if you have no intention on taking care of the puppies yes it is best to get your dogs fixed. But in reading the post I do not believe this is the case PoodleGrandma has stated there was a mistake and believe it or not even the best of breeders have this happen to them. However I also believe that you are wrong in many things I think you just jumped on PoodleGrandma thinking you knew all and had someone you could pick on as I see it. I personally agree with most of what poodleGrandma had to say and I think you are possibly just a person whom likes to get on forums to get cause contention. Purple poodle you have many facts wrong and I think instead of reading your books that are written by people whom think they know everything perhaps you should just get to know your dogs and learn from them. As they do in fact have motherly instincts sometimes books don't know what they are talking about. The best way to get to know about dogs is just learn from them yes books can help but today people put to much faith in books that are written by one person and are just one person's opinion on life. I know you will come back with something wrong with what I have said as you have ripped poodlegrandma apart however this is my feelings as I have read the post. There are many people out there that will agree with you and there are many that agree with me. That is the great thing about these forums we all can have our own opinions and share them even if everyone does not agree. But I just had to put in my two cents on this matter as I agreed with Poodlegrandma on this one.
 

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Woah woah woah. Calm down here.

Just because Purple Poodle & Grandma have different opinions on the being a mother and not does not mean one is right or one is wrong. Just like in human health doctors believe different things... the same is true for pet doctors is one right or is one wrong? We should probably leave that up to the doctors to argue about as they know more about it. Pick what you believe and go with it, arguing about it is not going to really help and since there is no way to prove such a thing 100% with facts it will NEVER be settled.

You each have a right to your own opinion and ideas. I don't want anyone getting mad at each other over this stuff as it seems you BOTH have great information to share with us and disagree on a couple things.

Disagreements are ok, arguing your point is even ok. Personal attacks will NOT be tolerated.

If you guys want to discuss the being a mother vs. not or any other of the many things brought up here NOT relating to the topic PLEASE start a new post and do it in there. :)

We are here to learn, share ideas, what works, etc and most importantly HAVE FUN.
 

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Whoa now, I never wanted this to turn into a personal attack, that was not my intention. I was just trying to help, like she asked and when I questioned why she was breeding her dogs the doo hit the fan.

We are all entitled to our own opinions, it would be a pretty boring place if we all agreed.

Y'all know how I feel and I won't say anything else about it because it seams I'm not quite getting my point across.

I'm sorry poodlegrandma you did not get the answer you wanted.
 

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Cautiously stepping into this...

IMO, no one should breed a poodle unless they are a trained breeder who has to time and money to do the testing that is available to identify the possibility of certain hip disorders and other medical problems and is registering their dogs. Personally, I think there are way too many dogs available as it is and people should stop breeding for awhile. We got 2 beautiful, healthy dogs as rescues. Anyone who wants a pet should first check with rescue organizations and their local humane societies. If you have dogs that aren't neutered or spayed, seek help right away to get this done. It is not fair to the dogs to allow them to have puppies.

Todd, I appreciate your attitude toward the list that disagreements are okay. So many moderators don't allow for even the slightest edginess... but personal attacks are another thing...
 

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Whoa now, I never wanted this to turn into a personal attack, that was not my intention. I was just trying to help, like she asked and when I questioned why she was breeding her dogs the doo hit the fan.

We are all entitled to our own opinions, it would be a pretty boring place if we all agreed.

Y'all know how I feel and I won't say anything else about it because it seams I'm not quite getting my point across.

I'm sorry poodlegrandma you did not get the answer you wanted.
I agree, everyone can have their opinion state it and defend it :) If you had an opinion and didn't defend it what good would it be ;)

Cautiously stepping into this...

IMO, no one should breed a poodle unless they are a trained breeder who has to time and money to do the testing that is available to identify the possibility of certain hip disorders and other medical problems and is registering their dogs. Personally, I think there are way too many dogs available as it is and people should stop breeding for awhile. We got 2 beautiful, healthy dogs as rescues. Anyone who wants a pet should first check with rescue organizations and their local humane societies. If you have dogs that aren't neutered or spayed, seek help right away to get this done. It is not fair to the dogs to allow them to have puppies.

Todd, I appreciate your attitude toward the list that disagreements are okay. So many moderators don't allow for even the slightest edginess... but personal attacks are another thing...
I agree about the trained breeder bit, and health issues myself and disagree with the going to a rescue first for the same reasons. The nice thing about life is we can disagree and still get along :) Thanks for the compliment.

Glad to have you both as well as you `Grandma on here to give opinions, help, advice and more and also back up your opinions and stand up for what you believe in.
 

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Yikes! Talk about butting heads... LOL! Good points brought up on both sides. I tend to think that a breeder needs to be very well educated on the subject before they start having litters... That being said, the thought of studding my standard crossed my mind as he is from a champion bloodline and well sized & shaped :) We have decided that our lack of knowledge on the subject combined with the overcrowded shelter issues are bigger than our desire to make a few bucks studding out Bauer so he is headed to the vet tomorrow for what we have laughingly been calling "de-male-ification" ...

...Personally I think that although we could easily use a few extra bucks, we would be incredibly irresponsible to be any part of bringing more dogs into the world. The only way I would have changed my mind is if the breeder who sold us our dogs requested him for stud duty, but she has moved to another province since selling us our dog. She has been breeding dogs for 40 years, my family Schnauzer growing up came from her and lived a very long and healthy life.
 
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