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I can practically feel the magic from your pic!

I wonder if there’s any difference between the size of the dog and when owners start giving more freedom. I know that smaller dogs are supposed to mature faster than bigger dogs. Say you had Peggy at 25 years old. Do you think there would be a difference between when she started to get more freedom compared to Gracie?

Oh my god, I can imagine Gracie going from tentatively pulling off one strip of wrapping paper to just going ham and a flurry of paper and bows flying.
I think it's a combination of maturity and capacity for destruction. Even though Gracie laughed at baby gates, it's much easier to puppy-proof a room (or even a house) for a small dog.

I think the fact that Gracie didn't actually destroy any of the gifts themselves was a testament to her maturity. But even small dogs can struggle with impulse control well into their first few years. I saw a huge shift in Gracie at 3, but ages 5-8 were like a human's 30s: Maximum maturity to health ratio.
 

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Peggy was doing wonderfully at the marina today, and then lost her brain and excitedly mouthed a man's hand. I was mortified. He said it was okay, but I noticed him stepping away from her after that. Understandably.

She was fine with every greeting prior to that one, but it was a new, exciting place, with lots of new sights and sounds and smells; I should have kept the visit short. I sensed her going over threshold even before that man approached.

But I got cocky. :(
 

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Peggy was doing wonderfully at the marina today, and then lost her brain and excitedly mouthed a man's hand. I was mortified. He said it was okay, but I noticed him stepping away from her after that. Understandably.

She was fine with every greeting prior to that one, but it was a new, exciting place, with lots of new sights and sounds and smells; I should have kept the visit short. I sensed her going over threshold even before that man approached.

But I got cocky. :(
I'm sorry that that happened to you. I would be mortified too. How did she do with being out still after that? My family and I went to the Seattle Kennel Club dog show. I can't remember what year it was, but I was away from my family talking to one of the handlers and on my way back this very silly Clumber Spaniel with his handler were walking toward me and walking pass me, but this silly thing put my whole hand in his mouth! And his handler was like, I'm so sorry! And I was like it's okay 😁 I was okay with it, but no one expected that to happen and I was like 😐

I know that feeling! It's the you should be great at this, so let's try this! I do it with Sisko😔
 

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Peggy was doing wonderfully at the marina today, and then lost her brain and excitedly mouthed a man's hand. I was mortified. He said it was okay, but I noticed him stepping away from her after that. Understandably.

She was fine with every greeting prior to that one, but it was a new, exciting place, with lots of new sights and sounds and smells; I should have kept the visit short. I sensed her going over threshold even before that man approached.

But I got cocky. :(
It happens... puppies will be puppies. I can never understand what makes Misha ignore most people then go nuts with excitement for a few. I think we've all been in situations like that.
 

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I'm sorry that that happened to you. I would be mortified too. How did she do with being out still after that? My family and I went to the Seattle Kennel Club dog show. I can't remember what year it was, but I was away from my family talking to one of the handlers and on my way back this very silly Clumber Spaniel with his handler were walking toward me and walking pass me, but this silly thing put my whole hand in his mouth! And his handler was like, I'm so sorry! And I was like it's okay 😁 I was okay with it, but no one expected that to happen and I was like 😐

I know that feeling! It's the you should be great at this, so let's try this! I do it with Sisko😔
I love Clumber Spaniels! I've never actually met one in person, but I'd be happy if it put my hand in its mouth. Lol.

One thing I've noticed about adolescence is you still have to stay one step ahead of your poodle. Peggy rarely puts herself down for a nap if there's any action going on. She wants to be in the middle of it all. So it's up to me to see when she's nearing her limit.
 

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It happens... puppies will be puppies. I can never understand what makes Misha ignore most people then go nuts with excitement for a few. I think we've all been in situations like that.
Isn't it strange? It's like they pick up on some invisible signal.

I had a male dachshund-poodle mix named Tucker that my parents eventually ended up taking. (He was my dad's heart dog.) Despite not being a terrier, he had a real terrier temperament. Peggy actually reminds me of him sometimes.

I vividly recall puppy Tucker hopping up to "hold" a toddler's hand and the dad telling me off. That humiliating moment still stings.....almost 20 years later!

What I should have said to the dad was, "I'm extremely sorry, but also: Don't let your toddler run up to strange dogs! Especially puppies!"

Tucker never really grew out of that, so I guess I worry Peggy will be the same. It happens so rarely, it feels impossible to prevent without keeping her away from people altogether.
 

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I love Clumber Spaniels! I've never actually met one in person, but I'd be happy if it put my hand in its mouth. Lol.

One thing I've noticed about adolescence is you still have to stay one step ahead of your poodle. Peggy rarely puts herself down for a nap if there's any action going on. She wants to be in the middle of it all. So it's up to me to see when she's nearing her limit.
Lol. It was pretty cute. There might be specialty shows that have only Clumber Spaniels that you could go to.

Ohhhhhh, yeah! That's so true. She will get better and take a nap herself. It wasn't until last month that Sisko decided he could sleep if there was any action going on. He would stay up past his bedtime and would be a PAIN to deal with the next day.
 

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Isn't it strange? It's like they pick up on some invisible signal.

I had a male dachshund-poodle mix named Tucker that my parents eventually ended up taking. (He was my dad's heart dog.) Despite not being a terrier, he had a real terrier temperament. Peggy actually reminds me of him sometimes.

I vividly recall puppy Tucker hopping up to "hold" a toddler's hand and the dad telling me off. That humiliating moment still stings.....almost 20 years later!

What I should have said to the dad was, "I'm extremely sorry, but also: Don't let your toddler run up to strange dogs! Especially puppies!"

Tucker never really grew out of that, so I guess I worry Peggy will be the same. It happens so rarely, it feels impossible to prevent without keeping her away from people altogether.
I feel the same way. I wouldn't be surprised to see Misha do the same thing. When he was younger he got super excited to see an older lady he sees regularly. She walked around a corner and surprised him and bent down to see him. He was already playing and leaped at her with excitement and caught her hand in his mouth. She had very thin skin and he managed to actually break the skin a bit with a tooth. I was shocked because he had never broken skin before and it was just a mistake of force. But I felt very bad. She knew he was playing and wasn't upset but I still feel very bad thinking of it.
 

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Peggy made my parents bleed a few times when they visited over Christmas. Their skin is so delicate, and her excited puppy mouthing definitely took a toll. I felt terrible.

My poor 80-something neighbour has some friends with a full-grown doodle that makes him bleed every time he goes to their house. He says they just laugh it off. Eek. He showed me all the marks and I vowed right then and there that Peggy would never be so ill-behaved.

Ha! Easier said than done, right?

I wish she'd try it at one of our weekly play dates, so our trainer could see. But of course that would be too simple. Our trainer has this great technique where she feeds treats just below hip level before Peggy even has a chance to jump. Two weeks in a row of that and she hasn't jumped on her since.
 

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There is NO WAY that I would laugh off a full-grown doodle mouthing me. That's completely unacceptable especially if the doodle is leaving marks. Yeah, I feel you on that. It is easier said than done, but you will be happy that you did!!

Wow!! You guys are having classes again??
 

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You guys are having classes again??
I wish! But no. Just a few of us who've become friends, standing far away from each other in a field, wearing masks, while the dogs play.

When she gets back up and running, it'll just be puppy classes at first because there's such an urgent need. And only outdoors.
 

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Sisko had been doing well with leash pulling for a little bit, but he has been horrible! It's not fun taking him out and we stopped taking our walks because his pulling and my ankle is bothering me because. It's very upsetting 😞😢
 

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Sisko had been doing well with leash pulling for a little bit, but he has been horrible! It's not fun taking him out and we stopped taking our walks because his pulling and my ankle is bothering me because. It's very upsetting 😞😢
I'm sorry. :( I'm not sure I'll ever get used to those abrupt adolescent setbacks.

Have you found a good exercise outlet for him? Those walks are going to be a lot more pleasant if he's getting daily opportunities to really burn off that adolescent energy.

Peggy just ran full-speed for 5 minutes and then basically passed out. Lol.
 

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I'm sorry. :( I'm not sure I'll ever get used to those abrupt adolescent setbacks.

Have you found a good exercise outlet for him? Those walks are going to be a lot more pleasant if he's getting daily opportunities to really burn off that adolescent energy.

Peggy just ran full-speed for 5 minutes and then basically passed out. Lol.
I hear you. I don't think I will either. It's can be really hard to deal with.

The flirt pole would be great, but he still loves to sniff around instead of playing with the flirt pole. He still pulls after I try to burn off that energy😢 the only place that he will run around full-speed at is the dog park, but he will pull even there after running around. I'm still waiting for our new trainer to re-open too.

Lol did she run around your yard?
 

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I hear you. I don't think I will either. It's can be really hard to deal with.

The flirt pole would be great, but he still loves to sniff around instead of playing with the flirt pole. He still pulls after I try to burn off that energy😢 the only place that he will run around full-speed at is the dog park, but he will pull even there after running around. I'm still waiting for our new trainer to re-open too.

Lol did she run around your yard?
You could try playing some games with him that encourage him to run. I like to ask Peggy to stay, build the suspense, and then release her. I can usually get her zooming around if I'm enthusiastic enough. Then "Wait!" And we repeat the game. I see her playing it by herself sometimes in the yard. Lol.

Of course, she still pulls on walks, too, sometimes. Walking with her is only ever truly relaxing on a very long leash, on an empty trail.
 

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Lol. That's so cute! I might be able to do that. I can get him running around the house if I run away from him and then call him and keep doing it. I'm starting to think that he thinks it's not okay to run on leash unless I'm running too, and I can't run for long right now. I need to get in shape, and I have asthma.
 

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The Freedom Harness works now!! I might have been putting it on the wrong way. Lol🤣🤣 l. It works better than the Sporn Harness, but he was a giant brat when he found out that he couldn't pull, so he tried to pull very hard towards some spots, ate some grass, and also bit on the leash for the harness. I told him he was being a jerk and he stopped.
 

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I don't know why, but Sisko had been a giant jerk today. He has been doing so well, but today he thinks he shouldn't listen to me, and he should pull while outside. I'm frustrated and just want to stay away from him for today.
 
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