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Woo hoo! So fun! Hope it goes really well. Be sure to start that thread when you get home. I think it'll be a good one!
We did have fun!!! 😊It was great to be back and Bobby definitely has matured and he did a great job. He worked hard in his poodle way. Typically was done after several repetitions but it was fine. I just accepted that and waited until the next thing. He did everything well, even the friendly greetings, which has been a problem for him because he gets so silly and excited. There is definitely hope as we navigate the teen time. I can really see our hard work and his growing in maturity.
The trainer did use him once but he got a little silly and actually a little unsure and skittish, which did surprise me, but nothing too embarrassing. Actually, most of the dogs she tried using had a bit of hesitation, even the Golden! The Lab was
perfect though! 😂 There was a gorgeous, huge Spoo who wanted nothing to do with being used by the trainer. Maybe they all have to get used to classes again after so many months away from formal group training.
 

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Aw! That just made me want to give Annie a hug. It's hard when people aren't receptive to our dogs. Hurts my feelings on their behalf.

On the other hand, my husband took Peggy to the post office today, and she met multiple people who were thrilled to have her jump on them! Ack. I'm glad she had some happy encounters, but really at a loss as to how to break this habit.

She's almost entirely stopped jumping on us, so I know she's not hopeless. And our trainer got her to stop jumping at our outdoor playdates, but....she was right back to jumping when class resumed.

It's almost like we have to train for every possible scenario, which seems completely unrealistic. Or maybe it's just a matter of exposing her to so many people, the novelty wears off?
I had to teach Annie what "off" meant explicitly. Until then it was just that noise humans make during greeting :) Now that she has learned it and I have told her "off" a lot, and rewarded it with pets, she seems to understand in most situations that "off" is required for greeting.

Annie is funny- she went through most of her adolescence pretty much indifferent to being pet by strangers. She loves the neighbours, friends, and family, but strangers on a walk? Meh. I would tell her "go see!"and she would stand there and you could hear her think "omg, can I get back to walking yet?". Now that we are 6 months into COViD - she wants to greet people again desperately and is all wiggles. Took her downtown a few weeks ago and walked her past a patio to practice ignoring people as distractions, and she gleefully greeted 3 people who called her over.

Poor Annie! I do try to keep my energy very calm when I'm meeting big dogs because I'd really rather not be jumped on and so many young dogs jump. Usually if I'm more subdued they will be too. But big dogs are just the right petting height!
100% agree. I probably pet more large dogs than small, they are easier to pet and usually more receptive to it. I hate when I get one of the squeaky voiced baby talk people, Annie is guaranteed to be an idiot and jump, and they are guaranteed to be startled and afraid of it. Calm people? she is calm and cool, and has a nice petting session.

I am very popular with the dogs at the dog park, because I dont just stand there ignoring them and instead walk around the park and supervise/redirect. If there are more than 3 dogs, I usually am never not petting a dog. I always find it funny when peoples dogs start behaving better for me than their owner, just because I am calm and firm and reward good (non jumping) behavior.
 

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We did have fun!!! 😊It was great to be back and Bobby definitely has matured and he did a great job. He worked hard in his poodle way. Typically was done after several repetitions but it was fine. I just accepted that and waited until the next thing. He did everything well, even the friendly greetings, which has been a problem for him because he gets so silly and excited. There is definitely hope as we navigate the teen time. I can really see our hard work and his growing in maturity.
The trainer did use him once but he got a little silly and actually a little unsure and skittish, which did surprise me, but nothing too embarrassing. Actually, most of the dogs she tried using had a bit of hesitation, even the Golden! The Lab was
perfect though! 😂 There was a gorgeous, huge Spoo who wanted nothing to do with being used by the trainer. Maybe they all have to get used to classes again after so many months away from formal group training.
What do you do during this time? Do you let him quietly observe or try keeping him working and engaged?
 

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I had to teach Annie what "off" meant explicitly. Until then it was just that noise humans make during greeting
Did you teach her to jump up in order to teach her to get down? Because what I really want is to teach her to stay down and not jump in the first place.

A rapid low delivery of treats works great, timed before the first jump ever happens. That is how our trainer got Peggy to stop jumping up at play dates. It took two sessions. But it doesn't translate at all to other locations or circumstances. And I can't exactly get strangers to participate.
 

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Did you teach her to jump up in order to teach her to get down? Because what I really want is to teach her to stay down and not jump in the first place.

A rapid low delivery of treats works great, timed before the first jump ever happens. That is how our trainer got Peggy to stop jumping up at play dates. It took two sessions. But it doesn't translate at all to other locations or circumstances. And I can't exactly get strangers to participate.
I did yeah.... I started with hug (treat), off (treat). Then, I switched to hug (no treat) off (treat), and started giving multiple treats for off in between hug, so she learned to only hug on cue. Now - if I see her thinking of jumping, I tell her off, and she complies before she has a chance to jump. And if I want to reward her, I let her jump up on me on cue (no treats , it's just something she enjoys). It decreased the jumping dramatically when I could clearly communicate what was expected of her. Plus she is SO gentle with jumping now, I barely feel her feet. Not a good thing, but she did jump on my mid 90s grandma who is unsteady on her feet when grandma came in and I was not there, and didnt knock her over which I think was pretty impressive.

You MIGHT be able to teach this with jumping on a wall, off, wall, off but it's a bit more for the dog to generalize.

If you do try this - be careful of what hand signal you chose. My hug signal is thumping my chest with my fist and apparently very close to my sit signal, which is holding my fist out at chest height...
 

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What do you do during this time? Do you let him quietly observe or try keeping him working and engaged?
I have no problem letting him just observe as I figure it’s a good time to practice downstays or sits. He’s pretty calm. If he needs work with something I will do something but chilling is good by me and it’s only for a a few minutes anyway. In my mind, looking at all the action and staying chill is good training as well.
 

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Miss Annie had a great day!

We play a game where she gets to go on a walk until she pulls, then we go home. We went 3 houses further than usual, and I had to trick her into pulling so we could go home because I was running late for a conference call, and even then she barely pulled.

We went to the park - she actually socialized with 2 people even though there were dogs there (this never happens), and did not jump or even consider jumping and I was told how lovely behaved she is. Then we met a friend, and she greeted him and someone else, again, no jumping, no even thinking of it and no pulling, despite lots of wiggling and being in a new place. And she did a nice "settle" and relax at my feet in a strange and noisy place while waiting for the friend to show up. And then we came home and she lay at my feet while I was ambushed by a neighbour who wished to chat, and again, did not jump and accepted petting. Good dog! I am sure she will do something crazy tomorrow, I know better than to expect this level of perfection, but today, she was a very good dog.
 

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I have no problem letting him just observe as I figure it’s a good time to practice downstays or sits. He’s pretty calm. If he needs work with something I will do something but chilling is good by me and it’s only for a a few minutes anyway. In my mind, looking at all the action and staying chill is good training as well.
I think I need to do more of this. I tend to heed our trainer's calls to "Keep them working!" but I know she'd totally understand if I felt Peggy could benefit more from just some calm observation time.

That's what I want her to do in real-life situations.
 

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Miss Annie had a great day!

We play a game where she gets to go on a walk until she pulls, then we go home. We went 3 houses further than usual, and I had to trick her into pulling so we could go home because I was running late for a conference call, and even then she barely pulled.

We went to the park - she actually socialized with 2 people even though there were dogs there (this never happens), and did not jump or even consider jumping and I was told how lovely behaved she is. Then we met a friend, and she greeted him and someone else, again, no jumping, no even thinking of it and no pulling, despite lots of wiggling and being in a new place. And she did a nice "settle" and relax at my feet in a strange and noisy place while waiting for the friend to show up. And then we came home and she lay at my feet while I was ambushed by a neighbour who wished to chat, and again, did not jump and accepted petting. Good dog! I am sure she will do something crazy tomorrow, I know better than to expect this level of perfection, but today, she was a very good dog.
Wow Annie! Great work!
 

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My husband took Peggy to a coffee shop patio today, and he can't stop marvelling at the progress she's made. The biggest difference he saw was that she actually chose to lay down and people-watch.

If we'd both had our way, we'd have given up on patios a lonnnng time ago. Much more relaxing to just leave her at home! But with our trainer's help, we're keeping our eyes on our ultimate goal: A dog that can relax at our feet while the world goes by.

Just a reminder to identify and keep practising whatever's most important to you. :)
 

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Normie's 11 months; he's more toddler than an adolescent.

He waits for me outside the bathroom door (at least he doesn't walk the toilet paper through the house for fun). When I cook there's a paw on my leg notice-me style. He ignores thunderstorms without flinching and falls apart when someone rings the bell. He's perfected the languishing look from upcast eyes, yet can at a moment's notice turn a serious moment into 'catch me if you can.'

This too shall pass. It's much more fun that way.
 

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Well, Bobby reminded me that he is still an adolescent.
He was totally different dog during our class this week. He was great with his down stays and settles but looking at me, leave it and
walking nice...it’s like he never heard of these things!!! 😂😂😂
Totally checked out and was distracted, distracted and distracted. 🤪
Hopefully next week will be better.
 

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Bringing this thread back to life to say that YEP. Peggy is still an adolescent. We had the nuttiest walk today. She was jumping and barking and zigzagging—pretty much having the time of her life while we very much were not. Lol.

Even adolescent spoos have such old, elegant souls. It's easy to forget they're still immature.

Peggy will be 17 months old on Monday. :)
 

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I hear you, PTP! Just when I think we are out of adolescence I am reminded that we are not! 😂. Bobby is 23 months. I just read a book about the stages in a dog’s life and it talks about the almost adult stage as sometimes being quite difficult sometimes as they are almost mature but not quite so they still challenge you. They are trying to find their place. I believe the book stated that this particular stage ended around 2 1/2
years for some dogs. It was encouraging as it basically said, it is especially important to keep training, and to not give up and dogs really will come out the other side as a mature dog. It seems I have read on this site that poodles can be on the late side for maturation. Maybe I read it somewhere else. For all of you who really know poodles, is this true?
 

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Poodles are slow to mature, but the plus side is that they retain their joie de vivre into their senior years. I was new to poodles when I got Buck. His progression was adolescence to a college frat boy on a five year plan to graduation. Luckily, wise voices on PF counseled me that it was going to take 2-3 years. He needed all of those three years, plus. Fun and frustration are to be expected along the way. Celebrate even the smallest successes and remember tomorrow could be a day with no mistakes in it. Or maybe not:)
 

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Poodles are slow to mature, but the plus side is that they retain their joie de vivre into their senior years. I was new to poodles when I got Buck. His progression was adolescence to a college frat boy on a five year plan to graduation. Luckily, wise voices on PF counseled me that it was going to take 2-3 years. He needed all of those three years, plus. Fun and frustration are to be expected along the way. Celebrate even the smallest successes and remember tomorrow could be a day with no mistakes in it. Or maybe not:)
Very encouraging! Thank you! It’s like I know this in my head but to have folks remind you really helps. The book I read likened a young adult/upper adolescent dog to a young human in this stage, just as you did...we totally know people don’t grow up and mentally mature over night but we humans seem to expect our dogs to.

I like this forum for so many reasons and one of the main reasons is that we can share our struggles. Books and training and all of that is great but sometimes the reality isn’t always present. Training and maturity take time and you don’t always truly get that message. We know that the majority of dogs that are given up to shelters and rescues are adolescent and young adult dogs. While I know not all people do the best by their dog, I wonder if they were encouraged more and more knowledgeable about the real struggles of the adolescent/young dog stage if they would hang in there a bit longer rather than give up. If people could just know that it’s a stage and keep training and not give up. I think it’s so easy to think, my dog is this age and he was so good earlier, so he should be a really well behaved and a “perfect” dog now so there must be something wrong. If people were more aware of the realities as their dogs mature. I know not all people would take the time to learn that and I know there are real issues and some severe, and some people just aren’t willing to do the work and be patient, but if folks were more prepared and knowledgeable for this stage in a dog’s life....makes me wonder if some dogs wouldn’t end up being given up on.

This just makes me want to say thank you again to all the support this forum offers! I know we are going to come out the other side of this sometimes trying adolescent stage!
And PTP, thank you again for starting this thread! It was a most excellent and helpful idea!😊
 
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