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I don't find the spay/neuter rule to be odd. My mom can't board her intact male show dog, and has been told it's actually for his own safety. Evidently the neutered males will gang up on the intact one and hurt him. (Makes sense. I knew a horse once that was attacked by the others for this same reason.)

I also understand the breed ban. I don't necessarily agree - as I knew a wonderful pitt who was sweeter than any dog I've ever met - but I understand. Denver is among the cities that bans them and will seize any dog they think to be a pitt. Somewhat stupid... but considering what terrible people have done to the image of the breed... somewhat expected.

The dog parks I have been to just state that you have to pick up after yourself and your dog, as well as to not bring your dog if it is unfriendly... minus the fact that a mean rottie kept coming after my dogs. So evidently people can't read. (I would much prefer a rule keeping out bratty children. Can't tell you how many times I have gotten on to kids that aren't mine for kicking or hitting my dogs.)

I don't find the new posted rules out of line... to be honest. Personally, I think that if your dog is simply a pet... it would be a smart decision to get them fixed. What we don't need are more dogs and cats in the world with no home, and no matter how responsible people are... accidents happen. This isn't directed at anyone, just my general opinion.

Agree. Spay and Neuter away!!! My heart breaks seeing all the dogs out there needing homes.
 

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I dont' think dogs should be band based on breed like Jane woodhouse said "There are no bad dogs only bad owners",but what I do have a problem is irresponsible owners not controlling their dogs & not picking up their :poop:.

I took my spoos to a new park that open here recently what a mistake, there was a women there with a older dog and a puppy that keep mobbing everyone's dog a she just stood there and did nothing :pissed-off: the puppy had a bad case of diarrhea and she proceeded to say oh its my brothers puppy I told him he was sick to take him to the vet :doh:,I so wanted to say then what the h**l are you doing here with a sick dog but I bit my tongue I did not want to cause a seen. Need less to say I snatch up my spoos and have never gone back nor will I, what is up with people no conmen sense.:mad2:
 

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JMO I think most dog parks have these rules to protect themselves and the cities/counties that run them. It only takes one sue happy owner to sue the facilitator of the park to ruin it for everyone. If the parks have clearly posted signs, it helps their case in court. What we really need is some common sense and common courtesy but, as we have all witnessed, these days there is a general lack of both for some people. Its always someone else's fault.
I personally spay and neuter my pets because that is what I choose. Whatever you choose, please be responsible for it.
I think you said it perfectly
its all about Liability, I work at a daycare ((YMCA Day Camp during the summer :D ))...and we can't go on field trips using the bus because it costs astronomical fees for the insurance
this summer we get 3 bus trips out of 16 weeks...next summer our director is thinking it'll be something like 0 bus trips
oh and I have to wear sneakers and tennis shoes every day no crocs or sandals >.<

but back on topic XD
people don't want to be held liable, so if its illegal in Little Rock to own pitties ((no matter how unjust that is)) the park still has to define that they don't want said dogs there

and I'm one of the people who say do what you want with your dog...it is yours
but I believe in spaying and neutering pets before or soon after they've matured as long as your super careful and diligent about chance matings
 

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I think that having all dogs spayed/neutered at a dog park is a very good idea. I wouldnt bring my altered pet there. Just too much risk. If you have an unaltered dog then there are many other forms of exercise available. To the OP, as Bob Barker says, "please spay and neuter your pets". :)
 

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Not to throw fuel on any fires, here, but there is a ban on pit bulls (and a few other aggressive breeds) in the UK, as well the the Dangerous Dogs Act, which specifies actions that can be taken against owners of dogs of any breed that show a pattern of aggression.

I don't think it's an ideal solution, but better than no solution. Fully agree that there are charming representatives of any breed, and I don't think ALL pits are bad dogs, but it seems a majority of people that OWN pits are not ideal dog owners and want a pit bull for the wrong reason.

There have been a few convictions recently where people were convicted of using dogs as weapons; this is a really disturbing trend for me (Record rise in seizures of pit bulls as gangsters shun guns | Mail Online).

So while I don't fully agree with breed bans, I'm at a loss as to better solutions. When people don't WANT a well-socialised, well-behaved pet, what else can you do?

I'm not too worried about breed bans affecting poodles anytime soon; for Vasco, my miniature, to do any serious damage, someone would have to lie on the ground and cover themselves with peanut butter ;-).
 

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the reason for no intact dogs is because it helps cut down on aggression at the park. Last thing you need is a female in season coming and getting all the intact boys riled up.

Our doggy day cares here don't allow intact dogs over 7 months. which sucks. My aussie show dog could use some doggy day care time. We do the park instead. but i don't take her anywhere for the MONTH she's in heat (not days month)
 

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I believe that it should be up to an individual to spay or neuter the pet. But, I choose to have my fixed, as a fixed male/female make a fabulous pet. My dog walker does not accept any unaltered dogs past the age of 8 months. He says that at the dog park an unaltered animal doesn't have to cause trouble, it just has to be there.
 

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In general, I think its such an "American" thing to want to spay/neuter dogs. In Europe I feel the idea is very different- at least they were 7 years ago when I was there last.
Ocsi is now 7 years old, never neutered and NEVER attacked another dog. He was playing with a spayed female behind our home almost 3 year years ago when an altered male ran up to us from seemingly no where and stood over Ocsi, bit him on the ear and leg before his owner and I could pull him off my dog. I was so pissed! I could have kicked that dog! (I didn't but did threaten to kick the owner square in the a$$ for having an aggressive dog off-leash. It wasn't that dog's first offense in the neighborhood).

Regardless- I think spay and neuter should be a PERSONAL choice when it comes to a pet you own. Who would police the law anyway if everyone had to do it, your vet? Then think about all the dogs that wouldn't go to the vets (even more so) for their yearly checkups and vaccinations.
Chicago tried to get the law passed last year and thankfully it DIDN'T pass.

It's a darn shame, as that means even the best intact dogs will get crap for no reason, but whatever.
I do agree with this statement. While Ocsi and I really use the dog park as an offleash play area to play fetch with a tennis ball, he does sometimes find himself in a match of who can hump whom (the other dog is altered nearly 99% of the time).


JMO I think most dog parks have these rules to protect themselves and the cities/counties that run them. It only takes one sue happy owner to sue the facilitator of the park to ruin it for everyone.
I think this is the BIGGEST reason that daycares and dog parks try to get this rule passed. You hit the nail on the head.


Again, Ocsi has a responsible owner who has not let him breed, he hasn't run away and he doesn't cause drama or not listen to me- why should I be required by law to neuter him? I shouldn't.

Btw, Fallie was a rescue from the shelter we adopted nearly 6 months ago, he is totally in love with her and yes, wanted to hump her for nearly 2 weeks when we first got her but with kindness and the help of a baby gate he finally got the picture that there was no reason to try to tell her he was the boss of the house. She's been spayed since day one, so his reasoning behind humping her were none other than territorial.
 

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Not to throw fuel on any fires, here, but there is a ban on pit bulls (and a few other aggressive breeds) in the UK, as well the the Dangerous Dogs Act, which specifies actions that can be taken against owners of dogs of any breed that show a pattern of aggression.

I don't think it's an ideal solution, but better than no solution. Fully agree that there are charming representatives of any breed, and I don't think ALL pits are bad dogs, but it seems a majority of people that OWN pits are not ideal dog owners and want a pit bull for the wrong reason.

There have been a few convictions recently where people were convicted of using dogs as weapons; this is a really disturbing trend for me (Record rise in seizures of pit bulls as gangsters shun guns | Mail Online).

So while I don't fully agree with breed bans, I'm at a loss as to better solutions. When people don't WANT a well-socialised, well-behaved pet, what else can you do?

I'm not too worried about breed bans affecting poodles anytime soon; for Vasco, my miniature, to do any serious damage, someone would have to lie on the ground and cover themselves with peanut butter ;-).
Do you really think that anyone but the good dog owners will follow a breed ban? If they are crappy owners or doing other illegal things, why would they pay attention to this?
The other problem is breed bans don't lower the instances of dog bites. They are expensive and ineffective. What needs to be done is punish owners whose dog actually do bite people and place restrictions on those dogs. My pit bull is the least likely to bite anyone but we have to look over laws carefully before we go anywhere. My Catahoula was my service dog and we couldn't go to any places with BSL because Catahoulas look enough like pit bulls that she could have been seized and possibly destroyed. She is a natural alerter (like many medical alert service dogs) so I didn't intentionally pick a dog I knew would be banned. Do you really think it is the best way to regulate this if I couldn't go to some cities because the dog who allowed my freedom could be seized because of her looks?!
Doing nothing because you think your breed won't be affected is sticking your head in the sand. The media will get tired of pit bulls bashing and will move on to another breed, just like they did with German Shepherds, Rotties, etc.Once they ban all of those breeds, what is to stop them from going after yours? All it takes is enough people, media attention and your poodle might not be safe.
 

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Ocsi is now 7 years old, never neutered and NEVER attacked another dog. He was playing with a spayed female behind our home almost 3 year years ago when an altered male ran up to us from seemingly no where and stood over Ocsi, bit him on the ear and leg before his owner and I could pull him off my dog. I was so pissed! I could have kicked that dog! (I didn't but did threaten to kick the owner square in the a$$ for having an aggressive dog off-leash. It wasn't that dog's first offense in the neighborhood).
That's exactly why my dog walker and a lot of others will not take on unneutered males, because the neutered ones will go after them. :( Maybe it's just jealousy.
 

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I have more agression problems in my altered pets than my unaltered ones.

Thats just the way they are, Its probably my fault but it is what it is. Kaden loves going to the dog park, and When Aidan was here a few weeks ago, we took Willow, Jamie, and Brian, as well as Vega and Dodger to the dog park, no big deal there, there werent a ton of dogs present, and our guys had their fun.

I can see why some people would want only spayed and neutered dogs at the park, but honestly, I see a lot of:
People on their phones not paying attention
People with very shy/fearful dogs
People with no dog sense trying to force their dogs to sniff or play with others


Its people that I cant stand. not the dogs LOL
 

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Do you really think that anyone but the good dog owners will follow a breed ban? If they are crappy owners or doing other illegal things, why would they pay attention to this?
The other problem is breed bans don't lower the instances of dog bites. They are expensive and ineffective. What needs to be done is punish owners whose dog actually do bite people and place restrictions on those dogs. My pit bull is the least likely to bite anyone but we have to look over laws carefully before we go anywhere. My Catahoula was my service dog and we couldn't go to any places with BSL because Catahoulas look enough like pit bulls that she could have been seized and possibly destroyed. She is a natural alerter (like many medical alert service dogs) so I didn't intentionally pick a dog I knew would be banned. Do you really think it is the best way to regulate this if I couldn't go to some cities because the dog who allowed my freedom could be seized because of her looks?!
Doing nothing because you think your breed won't be affected is sticking your head in the sand. The media will get tired of pit bulls bashing and will move on to another breed, just like they did with German Shepherds, Rotties, etc.Once they ban all of those breeds, what is to stop them from going after yours? All it takes is enough people, media attention and your poodle might not be safe.
Yes, I agree, all breed specific legislation is most likely to punish good dog owners rather than the bad. I just sympathise with the police, who are trying to solve an intractable problem. The pit bull ban gives them an easy way to immediately address a problem with a bad owner/bad pit bull, without waiting for the poorly-socialised, untrained, aggressive dog to hurt someone.

In my perfect world, all dog owners would be required to microchip and pass a CGC test, regardless of breed.

Banning pit bulls didn't stop dog bites in the UK, but it did greatly reduce the number of serious bites; there are stats to back that up. When they relaxed the rules of the ban a bit (allowing owners to keep them with rules about no off-lead walking and muzzles), the bite rate went up again. I agree any dog can bite, and many do. I'm sure there are bad poodles out there (or bad owners with confused dogs). But there are traits that give pits a higher potential to be a dangerous dog than many other breeds, and when you combine that with appalling teenage drug-dealer owners, it is a fantastically dangerous situation. I don't know what the solution is. But I think responsible pit bull owners don't do their breed any favours by refusing to recognise that there can be problems with the breed; pit bulls are responsible for the highest number of dog bite fatalities. Those numbers are probably slightly skewed when you take into account the average pit bull moron owner, who WANTS an aggressive dog, but the numbers are still pretty compelling.
 

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Like my step brothers.

*facepalm*
Wildly off topic here, my apologies, but isn't there a weird thing with people who want big threatening dogs? I've struggled with this idea for a while and can't quite work it out in my own head, but it almost as if some people want a dog who is bigger, smarter, tougher than themselves, as if the dog represents a parent or something? Or is that just me trying to make it into a weird psychological issue?

I don't know, but *I* want to be the toughest, smartest one in my human-dog relationship. Though I have given up on being the fastest. No chance against a lively miniature. But I do own all the treats, so I win :wink:.
 

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Interesting point, JE. Could it have something to do with the idea that dogs and owners grow to look alike? I was very tempted to get a whippet, with the vague idea I might get thinner, but then realised I would probably just end up with a plump whippet ... I do think some people - both men and women - go for the macho thing. One of the best approaches I've read to owners of snarly dogs, is "Oh what a beautiful dog! What a pity he is so fearful about everything - have you considered helping him to get more confident?" Very neatly undercuts the "My dog is harder than your dog" syndrome!
 

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i think it's a penis thing. (wonder if i can post that)

when my son got a red nose pitt bull (female), i was really annoyed. here is a 21 year old man/boy with a frickin' pitt bull. lovely.

i nagged, train train train. i nagged, socialize socialize socialize.

and he did.

and he has that dog SOOOO well trained that it's amazing. she is very well behaved. she can sit down stay recall kiss climb trees etc. (she's about 4 now). he could have her do agility she's brilliant. and sweet and i'm just as proud of her as i am him.

he works with that dog daily. they are a team.

good owners make great dogs.

but i still think it's a penis thing.

how many posts are here about folks who have poodles and family members comment about frou frou and not manly dogs ...
 

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oh and the dogs that i've personally had the biggest problems with are the dogs who have good reputations:

golden retrievers
border collies

(won't talk about the chihuahua who attacked me when i was a pet sitter)
 

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A little off topic, but a cool idea none the less. My friend just adopted a pit from a local rescue. The rescue, in order to help find homes for all the homeless bully breeds, has started a program where they will pay for all your training until you and your bully pass the CGC test. Helps promote responsible ownership helps better the perception of the bully breeds. Pretty cool I think.
 
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