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I was on here a few years ago in order to discover whether a poodle would be the right fit for me. Long story short I decided that a poodle would be the right dog for me but that I wasn't the right human for a dog at that moment in time. My life was too unstable so I decided to wait. But I have used that time to do research which came in handy because I got myself an equally dog-loving fiance and we have decided to get a small poodle (we were open to either toy or miniature). I went online and started looking at breeders in my country and to my horror the first two search pages were just puppymills... There was even one who offered a delivery service 馃槩

But since I had been on the poodle forum long before I began my search I knew better than to go there.

Since I live in a foreign country I wasn't too familiar with the dog scene I did what ever normal person would do. I went on the FCI website, found their list of members and checked the websites of the members from the country I live in as well as several nearby countries (I am in continental Europe) and went through the list of breeders for poodles. I took those who breed toy and miniatures and created my own database using a simple table in excel where I could sort the breeders by country, driving distance, health tests, showing or other type of work and my overall preference etc.

I went through 5 countries but my end list had only 12 breeders.

I contacted a few, I was hoping in vain that there might be an available puppy soonish but no such luck.

But this morning I talked to a breeder who had really caught my eye. I called her and we had such a wonderful conversation. We agree on what is important in a temperament. I am really impressed by the thought and care that she puts in all aspects of her poodles. Furthermore, her health testing goes way beyond best-practice in the area. She does as extensive testing as humanly possible, more than what the kennel clubs here require. I also asked about inbreeding, she import dogs and keeps the COI low.

The only catch is that she isn't planning a mating until mid-2021. So as we say in my country, I had to bite the sour apple. I have decided to wait, I really like her, I am the first on the reserve list for this litter. I have spoken to other good responsible breeders too and they all either don't have a litter coming or have a litter which has already been reserved.

I am both excited for this dog but also disappointed that we have to wait so long, as is my fiance. I really hope that this gamble pays off and that she really is as wonderful as she seems.

If all goes well we will be welcoming a 16 week old black miniature poodle in late 2021 (we have to take it across the border, it cant legally do so until 3 weeks after its first rabies vaccination. The breeder knows this).

I hope you don't mind me hanging around here, looking at your dogs in envy and asking some questions in preparation for our little one.
 

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Welcome and I am sorry your wait is so long - sometimes for a quality poodle, there is a log wait. Fill some of your time cruising through the subforums and look at all our pretty pictures, read up on puppies and training. And of course, feel free to ask questions.
 

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Wellcome, yes the wait is long but you did our research. I see so many people coming to this forum after they purchase from someone who does not know their dogs background and does not do any genetic testing. then they wonder what they can do? I look forward to seeing your pup once feet are on the ground.
 

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Wellcome, yes the wait is long but you did our research. I see so many people coming to this forum after they purchase from someone who does not know their dogs background and does not do any genetic testing. then they wonder what they can do? I look forward to seeing your pup once feet are on the ground.
Thank you and yes I think unfortunately that is what most people do and honestly if I had only started doing research after I had already decided that I can get a dog right now then I probably would have ended up getting one from a puppymill or a BYB without knowing better. I have ADHD and probably autism and I can be a bit impulsive, doing the research when I couldn't actually take action was very useful and helped me keep a clear head when I was very excited about this new step in life. We had other opportunities that I passed on because I wasn't happy about the origin of the dog.

In contrast a friend of mine bought a 'cockapoo' for 800 UK pounds because he was promised that it wouldn't shed. Yeah, if that dog has a drop of poodle of in it I would be very surprised. She is cute but she is a hyperactice, sloppering and shedding spaniel. Luckily he is too good of a guy to give her away just because she isn't what he was sold.
 

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"I have ADHD and probably autism and I can be a bit impulsive ", This I understand my adult child is the same however she is impulsive and would obsess till she got it, so Good Job!

In the end you will be much happier knowing that you pup has a better chance at a healthy life. And now the wait but you will keep finding more and more info here.
 

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I know your pain! I thoroughly thought about getting a toy poodle as a second dog for almost a year - and then had to wait for puppies to be born! I also created spread sheets and ran into the same struggles with BYB's. Finally though my puppy has been born and am in the final stretch until pickup in June. Having one of these dogs is definitely a long term commitment - possibly even 16 years long! It's tough to wait but I think you've really been responsible in finding a dog.
 

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Congratulations on doing your research and finding the right breeder.

It's a shame you have to wait so long but I do see one positive in all of this. Until we have a vaccine, this novel coronavirus is going to continue to impact our live right now. By the time you pick up your puppy, hopefully this novel coronavirus will be under control with a virus and algorithms for appropriate and effective treatment. It's tough to socialize a puppy right now.
 
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Welcome and hang around by all means. Your due diligence finding a breeder you clicked with will make the wait worth it. In the meantime you can prepare by reading all sorts of great stuff that is here, puppy raising, housebreaking, training and such.
 

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In the end you will be much happier knowing that you pup has a better chance at a healthy life. And now the wait but you will keep finding more and more info here.
That's true but to be honest we had been looking at rescues and shelters for an appropriate dog for a few months (not necessarily a poodle) and had made peace with the potential health issues there. But we couldn't find any or they were snatched up before we could apply. We actually applied for a little terrier who had already had orthopedic surgery and would need rehab. He was already adopted though. We were fine with the potential vet costs.

Beyond the titles and the health tests its also just important for me to know that the dogs who are living with the breeder are living happy, normal lives. Playing in the garden, going for walks and sleeping on the sofa. I don't want to pay for some poor bitch to be bred again and again on every cycle and never getting out for fresh air.
 

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Congratulations on doing your research and finding the right breeder.

It's a shame you have to wait so long but I do see one positive in all of this. Until we have a vaccine, this novel coronavirus is going to continue to impact our live right now. By the time you pick up your puppy, hopefully this novel coronavirus will be under control with a virus and algorithms for appropriate and effective treatment. It's tough to socialize a puppy right now.
Thats true, especially because Belgium has such a good dog culture. They are allowed on public transport, in most shops (not groceries), restaurants and cafes. there aren't really 'dog parks' there are just parks which means that there are great off-leash options which are not the behavioral pressure cookers of the dog-only parks. Dogs here are so well behaved because they get socialised whether their owners do so intentionally or not because they get taken places all the time. It could cause problems if we had a dog right now that would spend the first few months in the apartment and in the immediate neighborhood and then be expected to behave in strange places like restaurants and the metro.

The only downside is that we will be back to work and might have to find a dogsitter for those days where we can't work from home.
 

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Welcome! You will learn a lot here and everyone is very helpful. You have definitely done the right thing, wait for the dog your want from the type of breeder your happy with and it allows enough time for things to get back to how they were before that dreadful virus. Also well done for being so patient, I have two boys one with ADHD and the other autism and patience is very difficult for them, it will be worth it though.
 

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A well-bred Mini is the hardest size of poodle to find in the states. You already have a good rapport and confidence in the breeder. Bonus, you get first pick and will have had time to source supplies, and brush up, or learn from scratch how to train that long-awaited puppy. I admire and applaud your due diligence. It will pay off!
 

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Sorry I know that this thread has been dead for a long time but I just wanted to share my good news with people but didn麓t think I should start a whole new discussion on this.

I just spoke to the breeder, she is going to go ahead and breed two bitches on their next expected heats which should be around December. I don麓t mind that she intends to have two litters as the breeder is definately not a mass breeder, didn麓t have any litters in 2020 for example and small dogs tend to have smaller litters. I am a bit relieved actually as that increases the chances that at least one mating will be successful and I will have a pup in spring 2021!

I would be happy to have a pup from either mating but I do have to say that I am very excited about one of the matings in particular. The intended father is just drop dead gorgeous and apparently a lot of judges agree because he has been extraordinarily successful in the ring.
 

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Congrats on a successful search. Sounds like the puppies will have plenty of playmates to teach them doggie social skills.
 
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