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No poodle yet! My Bichon passed 3 years ago and I’m ready for another little one. In search of a female toy poodle. If anyone can point me in the right direction as to where to look, I’d appreciate it. I’ve called several Poodle Clubs in PA and left messages but no return calls. Growing up we had a miniature poodle and I have great memories of him. Thank you.
 

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Hi and Welcome! I'm sorry to hear of your little Bichon's passing. It can take time before you've healed enough to open your heart again.


The sheer volume of pandemic puppy seekers has overwhelmed breeders and breed clubs alike, so don't be surprised if responses are slow.

Not knowing your experience with poodles and poodle breeders specifically, Here's some overview info and then a link to a Breeder List compiled from member recommendations thru the years.

Health testing of the breeding parents is a good indicator of a quality, conscientious breeder. The Breeder List has info on what to look for in the testing for each variety. Mentioning health testing on a site is nice but isn't proof. For proof, look for health testing results spelled out on the breeder's site, then verify for yourself by going to the site the results are published on. If you don't find any evidence of testing or can't find the info but the breeder appeals to you, contact them and ask where you might see the testing they do. Reputable breeders put in a lot of effort to make sure they're breeding the healthiest poodles and will be happy to talk about it and provide the info.

A caution that a health "guarantee" on a puppy doesn't have much to back it if the sire and dam were not given the testing for breed and variety. "Guarantees" without the testing often favor the breeder, more than the buyer.

Conscientious breeders have a waitlist at the best of times and with pandemic puppy seekers, that wait is stretched well into 2021 or 2022. There have been more than a few serendipitous contacts between seeker and breeder, so don't be put off by the thought of a waitlist. Also, don't be put off if online sites aren't particularly updated. As often as not, breeders may prefer communicating by phone as well as email or text, and are busy with their dogs rather than keep a website updated.

When you start making contacts, let them know if you're open to an older pup or young adult.
Color preferences are understandable but keep in mind that you're limiting your options even further in a very limited supply of puppies. Many poodle colors change thru their lives.
Temperament is lifelong trait.

Be prepared to spend in the range of $1500 to $3500 USD. Conscientious breeders are not padding pricing due to Covid.

Be prepared to travel outside your preferred area.

As a very general rule, websites to be leery of are those that feature cutesy puppies with bows and such, little or no useful info on sires or dams, the word "Order" or "Ordering" (these are living beings, not appliances) and a PayPal or "pay here" button prominently featured "for your convenience".


An excellent source for breeder referrals is your local or the regional or national Poodle Club. An online search for "Poodle Club of ___ (your city or state)" will find them. You can also go directly to the national club site.

Some Poodle Club links are in the Breeder List.


As a sort of checklist of things to look for or ask, I'll drop my personal criteria (I have another more detailed but just this for now):

My criteria need not be yours but I think it's important for a potential poodle owner to understand why these things matter in finding a conscientious breeder and to get a well bred puppy to share life with for many years to come. Simply being advertised as "registered" or even "purebred" doesn't mean that a puppy is well bred.


Every one of these is a talking point a conscientious breeder will welcome, just not all at the same time :)

My ideal breeder is someone who is doing this because they love the breed.
They want to see each new generation born at least as good as the previous, ideally better.
They provide for every dog in their care as if that dog is their own.
They will be there for the new family, and stand behind that pup for it's lifetime, rain or shine, with or without a contract.
They will know the standards and pedigrees of their chosen breed, health and genetic diversity of their lines, and breed to better them.
They will know of the latest studies in health standards for their chosen breed and variety and do the health testing of their breeding dogs.
They prove their dogs meet breed standards and are physically capable by breeding from sires and dams proven in competition or participating in other activities.
They do not cross breed.
They will have as many questions for me as I do for them.
They invest in their dogs. They don't expect the dogs to support them.


This is not a complete list so be sure to look at the Multi listings too. Every name on the list has been recommended by a PF member or several, or I have found them by searching thru websites for breeders that the recommended breeder also recommends. Then I went to every website and/or the OFA site and/or a general internet search to verify any health testing done. I only did this initially, before adding them to the list. It's up to the seeker to verify the breeders current standing.

Definitely use the Poodle Clubs for breeder referral too.

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AKC marketplace can help you start a hunt. They will at least provide the names of some breeders who intend to have a litter with available puppies. I would absolutely not depend on these listings alone as an indication of suitability. All the listing really indicates is that the puppy can be registered in AKC. I would be especially cautious in states with a high number of puppy mills. However, you can take the information and run further searches to find out if the dogs have results listed on the OFA site and so forth.
 

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I'm not a fan of AKC marketplace. Even a really horrible puppy mill can advertise there. Local dog clubs are much, much better places to search. It does not have to be a poodle club - all-breed clubs and obedience clubs can be excellent sources of information. I agree with Cowpony that it's a good idea to check the OFA site to see if a breeder you are considering does testing and registration there. It only costs $12 to put a dog's test results on the OFA site, so if you cannot afford that you should not be breeding dogs!
 

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I recommend looking at the breeder list posted on the Poodle Club of America website and also contacting Leslie Newing who is the East of the Mississippi breeder referral person for PCA. Leslie knows a lot of people and in my experience hears about litters and availability that never gets advertised. You still need to do your due diligence with respect to health and genetic testing but it's a more reliable place to start. In my view, very few reputable breeders are found on the AKC Marketplace. You might also want to look at the Good Dog website because each breeder listing posts the health/genetic testing that the breeder is doing and then you can doublecheck against OFA. I hope this helps!
 

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I highly recommend using this site, good dog: Good Dog: Find the Dog of Your Dreams from Good Breeders and Shelters The breeders listed on this site do not pay to be on it but must pass a series of interview/health test guarantees to be listed here. Additionally, there are 3 classifications for breeders on the site: good, great, and excellent. Even the breeders listed as "good" are much better than most than you will find other places. I think it's definitely worth looking into :)
 

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Wow, such great info provided. Thank you all. I did reach out to several breeder referrals from specific poodle clubs. No one knew of any toy litters but gave me names and numbers of some to try that are ranked very high on their list. Some breeders they gave me that they knew personally were, Calisa Poodles in Florida, Karen Jones in CT, Carol Robrish in RI, Paul Redding, and Lucille in CT. I live in western PA, but I’m willing to travel. Pauline Branca was full of information and discussed “testing” with me. Some suggested to check out AKC marketplace to get a general idea where toys are located. A place called Teacup in the state of Indiana is on the AKC marketplace and has two of the cutest female toys, but at such an astronomical price. As a beginner in my search, I actually think the price is keeping the pups from not being sold. (I looked at the pricing of others on website and they were asking up to $1500-$2000 more.) I thank you for the info provided, it really helped me to get better educated. Search continues........🐩
 

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I have a deposit on a male toy and while searching for my puppy I only found males available I don’t know why it just happened to be that way in my search this time but I was wanting a male this time anyway. The price has almost doubled since my last toy I couldn’t find one under $2500 so just be prepared for that. I wish you the best of luck in your search.
 
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