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The difference between a well built well bred poodle and one that is not.
They are loved dearly.
Leonard comes from beautiful health tested parents
Pia does not
It is not an optical illusion Pia's legs are short on comparison to her long body
 

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They're absolutely adorable.

Are shorter legs ever okay on a poodle? I can't help but love them, probably because my last girl had some dachshund in her.
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I wouldn't mind the short legs and long back but Pia has back and neck issues
 

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It's both a beautiful photo of two beautiful poodles and a point well illustrated.

Are shorter legs ever okay on a poodle? I can't help but love them, probably because my last girl had some dachshund in her.
Technically, no, short legs on a poodle aren't to standard but makes them no less lovable :).

"Proportion - To insure the desirable squarely built appearance, the length of body measured from the breastbone to the point of the rump approximates the height from the highest point of the shoulders to the ground.
source: https://images.akc.org/pdf/breeds/standards/Poodle.pdf

For health, particularly IVDD, it seems to depend on where the FGF4 retrogene, responsible for short legs, is inserted.

"Shorter legs in dogs are explained by two retrogene insertions of functional fibroblast growth factor 4 (FGF4). FGF4 gene is involved in many biological processes including bone development.

The first insertion discovered (Parker et al 2009) is an FGF4-retrogene insertion in dog chromosome 18 (FGF4-18). This FGF4-18 insertion explains a short-legged phenotype known as chondrodysplasia (CDPA) in breeds such as Basset Hound, Pembroke Welsh Corgi, Dachshunds, West Highland White Terriers and Scottish Terriers. CDPA inheritance is considered to follow an autosomal dominant mode.

The Chondrodystrophy (CDDY) mutation was discovered by researchers in the Bannasch Laboratory at the University of California, Davis (Brown et al. 2017) as a second FGF4-retrogene insertion in dog chromosome 12. CDDY includes a short-legged phenotype and abnormal premature degeneration of intervertebral discs leading to susceptibility to Hansen’s type I intervertebral disc disease (IVDD)." source: Chondrodystrophy and Intervertebral Disc Disease (IVDD) and Chondrodysplasia

"Of particular interest is the lack of reports of IVDD cases in breeds such as the cairn terrier and West Highland white terrier, both of which have the CFA18 FGF4 insertion, but not the CFA12 FGF4 insertion. Similarly, the high incidence of IVDD in breeds such as the American cocker spaniel, beagle, and French bulldog that do not have the CFA18 FGF4 insertion but a high frequency of the CFA12 FGF4 insertion supports the idea that FGF4 specifically from CFA12 is contributing to the IVDD phenotype."
source: FGF4 retrogene on CFA12 is responsible for chondrodystrophy and intervertebral disc disease in dogs
 

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Just another comparison of my much loved pair Leonard and Pia,
 

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Leonard's hair is definitely better than Pia's hair, Pia hair is soft wavy and floppy, however she does have a large patch of course hair on her rump.
 
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