Beat, kick me, call me poodle!
Right now it's not something I can do. It's just me. One incident I read about was during training and two dogs got locked, one dog fearful, one aggressive.......IMO the key for these are not to have aggressive dogs on these......because the more pulling the increase of seriously hurting the dog goes up. Also I just cannot see inflicting pain on a dog - and this is exactly what it does. There are so many methods, just not my choice.
I'm trying to imagine how two dogs (one with, one without or both with?) could get locked up? This sounds like a train wreck from the beginning! Incompetent trainers not trained themselves in using prong collars - the only way that I can imagine this happening is if one or both collars were very loose (not fit correctly - for sure!) and during a tussle they got hooked up and panic ensued. I'm sure that most any other animal training devices could be misused and cause harm. Slip chains in a crate, haltis grabbed on and worried by aggressive dogs, you name it - someone/somehow could screw it up!
And you are absolutely correct
- under no circumstances ever
should an aggressive dog be put into a prong collar - ever! This is yet another indicator of trainer incompetence. If the trainer isn't trained on how to use them - don't use them! They are tool, and the tool user should be trained!
I've actually worn a prong myself
- it doesn't hurt a bit . . . It sures feels weird when it is pulled - like a bunch of little fingers pressing my neck . . . (I didn't have any prongs on the larnyx - dogs don't have one!) . . . fortunately dog necks are MUCH tougher and stronger than a human neck! The only way that I can imagine it would hurt is if some sick son of a -beep- sharpened the prongs . . . as they are, they're quite dull. Some prong collars include little rubber 'feet' attached for a further softening effect.
All things considered, prong collars look
bad - they look like some kind of medieval torture device . . . That's the reason why they aren't allowed at any AKC event - period. AKC has a public persona to protect, and I don't blame them a bit for banning them. I personally have never met anyone with direct bad experience with prong collars. Research in Germany has satisfied me that prong collars injure dogs less (post-mortem after natural death, prong vs slip shows that prong creates much less trauma than slip) than any other commonly used collars. I'm not sure about haltis, but it appears to me that sudden lunges from highly exuberant dogs could cause also cause spinal trauma similar to that of a slip chain.
Properly supervised and used by a competent trainer slip, prong, halti, etc are all safe in my opinion. Unsupervised and used by untrained owners, any one of them could cause permanent damage to you dog. Don't think for a minute that just because you are using 'collar x' that your dog is suddenly and magically immune from all injury. Under all circumstances, no matter which collar you decide to use - make sure you are trained properly in its usage!
Sorry about the ramble . . . hope I don't raise any hackles . . . I mean no insult, disrespect or 'talking down' to anyone . . . Just my observations!
Mark, Jamie and The Poodle Gangsters!