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We are looking for an apricot female mini poodle for a pet around pittsburgh PA (or tristate area).

This is going to sound silly, but we aren't looking for like the perfect show dog. We are just like poodles because they are smart and easy to train. So we are kind of looking for like retired or less than perfect dog. She doesn't need an elegant linage, just a sweet disposition. 馃槉 I have tried searching online for local mini poodle, but I just keep finding super expensive puppies. Does anyone have suggestions or a better way to search.

I am new here, please let me know if this is the wrong place for this. thank you.
 

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Hello!
We are looking for an apricot female mini poodle for a pet around pittsburgh PA (or tristate area).

This is going to sound silly, but we aren't looking for like the perfect show dog. We are just like poodles because they are smart and easy to train. So we are kind of looking for like retired or less than perfect dog. She doesn't need an elegant linage, just a sweet disposition. 馃槉 I have tried searching online for local mini poodle, but I just keep finding super expensive puppies. Does anyone have suggestions or a better way to search.

I am new here, please let me know if this is the wrong place for this. thank you.
You are in the right forum. You should check out some of the excellent resources compiled by @Rose n Poos. Of special note is the link to the apricot and red poodle club.

I also want to assure you that it's totally fine and even desirable if you keep finding show breeders as you look for a puppy. Surprisingly, show breeders don't charge more than other breeders. Quite the opposite, in many instances. Show breeders want their puppies to end up in good homes. Gouging your customers doesn't help that goal. Puppy mills, on the other hand, will happily charge what the market will bear.

Normal price for a puppy should be in the $2000-$3500 range. There are a lot of costs associated with breeding: health tests, vet bills, feeding mother until she's old enough to breed, temperament evaluations, and of course showing. Showing seems like a silly activity, but there actually is merit to it: the breeder gets some (hopefully) unbiased opinions on the dog's faults. A dog with temperament issues is also going to have trouble keeping itself together at a show. My previous pair didn't come from show lines, and they had the long backs to prove it. However, their breeder at least made sure their dam passed appropriate health tests. Puppy mills and backyard breeders may save costs by skipping this testing. Not good for the puppies or the person buying the puppy.
 

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Hi and Welcome!

Adding to the excellent info from cowpony here's some info that I hope will help you navigate thru your search. A lot of this was covered by cowpony so please forgive some repetition.

First, an essay on why you might really want a "show" poodle after all :) Every quality breeder is hoping that every litter will have show potential. When that doesn't pan out, we, the lucky pet families, still reap all the benefits of all the work they put into every litter born.




Health testing of the breeding parents is a good indicator of a quality, conscientious breeder. The Breeder List has info on what to look for in the testing for each variety. Mentioning health testing on a site is nice but isn't proof. For proof, look for health testing results spelled out on the breeder's site, then verify for yourself by going to the site the results are published on. If you don't find any evidence of testing or can't find the info but the breeder appeals to you, contact them and ask where you might see the testing they do. Reputable breeders put in a lot of effort to make sure they're breeding the healthiest poodles and will be happy to talk about it and provide the info.

A caution that a health "guarantee" on a puppy doesn't have much to back it if the sire and dam were not given the testing for breed and variety. "Guarantees" without the testing often favor the breeder, more than the buyer.

Conscientious breeders have a waitlist at the best of times and with pandemic puppy seekers, that wait is stretched well into 2021/2022. There have been more than a few serendipitous contacts between seeker and breeder, so don't be put off by the thought of a waitlist. Also, don't be put off if online sites aren't particularly updated. As often as not, breeders may prefer communicating by phone as well as email or text, and are busy with their dogs rather than keep a website updated.

When you start making contacts, let them know if you're open to an older pup or young adult.
Color preferences are understandable but keep in mind that you're limiting your options even further in a very limited supply of puppies. Many poodle colors change thru their lives.
Personality and temperament are lifelong traits.

Be prepared to spend in the range of $2000 to $3500 USD. Conscientious breeders are not padding pricing due to Covid.

Be prepared to travel outside your preferred area.

As a very general rule, websites to be leery of are those that feature cutesy puppies with bows and such, little or no useful info on sires or dams, the word "Order" or "Ordering" (these are living beings, not appliances) and a PayPal or "pay here" button prominently featured "for your convenience".


An excellent source for breeder referrals is your local or the regional or national Poodle Club. An online search for "Poodle Club of ___ (your city or state)" will find them. You can also go directly to the national club site.

Some Poodle Club links are in the Breeder List.


As a sort of checklist of things to look for or ask, this is my abbreviated personal criteria (I have another more detailed but just this for now):

My criteria need not be yours but I think it's important for a potential poodle owner to understand why these things matter in finding a conscientious breeder and to get a well bred puppy to share life with for many years to come.

Simply being advertised as "registered" or even "purebred" doesn't mean that a puppy is well bred.


Every one of these is a talking point a conscientious breeder will welcome, just not all at the same time :)

My ideal breeder is someone who is doing this because they love the breed.
They want to see each new generation born at least as good as the previous, ideally better.
They provide for every dog in their care as if that dog is their own.
They will be there for the new family, and stand behind that pup for it's lifetime, rain or shine, with or without a contract.
They will know the standards and pedigrees of their chosen breed, health and genetic diversity of their lines, and breed to better them.
They will know of the latest studies in health standards for their chosen breed and variety and do the health testing of their breeding dogs.
They prove their dogs meet breed standards and are physically capable by breeding from sires and dams proven in competition or participating in other activities.
They do not cross breed.
They will have as many questions for me as I do for them.
They invest in their dogs. They don't expect the dogs to support them.


This is not a complete list so be sure to look at the Multi listings too. Every name on the list has been recommended by a PF member or several, or I have found them by searching thru websites for breeders that the recommended breeder also recommends. Then I went to every website and/or the OFA site and/or a general internet search to verify any health testing done. I only did this initially, before adding them to the list. It's up to the seeker to verify the breeders current standing.

Definitely use the Poodle Clubs for breeder referral too.

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