From my limited poodle experience, the dog’s legs in the pictures you posted seem exactly like the Cockapoo that lives in our neighbourhood. There is also a ”first-generation” golden doodle in our neighbourhood who sheds like crazy, so beware as there is no guarantee of getting a non-shedding dog from a mix.
I have to agree with Twla and the others. The poodle is a poor representative of a Standard Poodle. Personally I don't like the look of how his hip protrude out, though it could just be a poor photo. There is a lot of hype with doodles , seems everyone wants a golden doodle and will pay a lot of money for them, then brag about how much poodle is in them. I happen to know someone who will tell me over and over how much their doodle looks like a poodle and that he is 80-90 % poodle. I say nothing but really if you want that get a well bred poodle who with the right grooming can have the same look as a doodle.( if thats what your after).
If someone else said this I'm sorry but I see cocker spaniel here? For some reasons my nerves and muscles cause pain if I scroll to much in one day. You all will get to know me. I looked at my babies parents and they are registered and appear to be full poodle to me> I'm no experent. I needed a hypoallergenic pet and just love poodles and the intelligence. I would have been happy with mix but careful so I'm one that surely could have been taken advantage of.
I’d agree that’s it’s either a mix or a poor breeder. My guy is a F1BB golden doodle, from breeder who does all the proper genetics tests on the parents. He looks more purebred than that guy.
You can obtain a test kit from the American Kennel Club or from at least five companies to test to see your dogs genetic makeup - as in what breeds are behind him/her. Just google "dog breed test DNA" to learn about test kits.
From all the comments, I'm pretty certain that the stud they are using is not a purebred. That being said, the puppies they are claiming are F!Bs are potentially F2s due to the stud potentially being a mix (doddle). It really does look like the breeder is potentially misrepresenting their dogs and people are not getting what they are paying for.
What started all this for me was the fact that the breeder decided to refund my deposit instead of providing documentation confirming that the dog was indeed a poodle They indicated that they could provide documentation but it was easier just to refund me. I could tell she was pretty offended.
I'm not sure if he's a mix- the grooming of his face might be part makes him look mixed, he maybe has a kind of moustache thing?
But I'm happy you got the refund, because I'm seeing evidence of saliva staining on his paws, which points to allergies; also he looks to have some significant orthopedic abnormalities in his hind legs. Both labs and goldens (among other breeds) can be prone to those, so that might indicated that he is mixed. More importantly, he does not look at all to be good or even decent stud quality.
Glad you got a refund. If allergies are the main reason you are choosing a doodle, then you probably better off going with the consistency of a purebred dog. It doesn't even have to be a poodle. Airedale Terriers, Irish Water Spaniels, Portuguese Water Dogs, and quite a few other breeds have the same non- shedding coat as a poodle.
I've found that the more breeds I look into the less I understand why people jump on the doodle bandwagon. There are a number of consistently non-shedding breeds that look exactly like whatever doodle mix they can dream of. As mixes there really isn't any trait you can hang your hat on with a doodle and we frequently get posters frantically seeking information on doodle specific issues that neither breed in the mix sees often enough to offer advice on or help them with.
The only doodle owners/breeders I feel like I understand are some of the bernedoodle people, because most of them will happily admit that what they actually wanted is a Bernese mountain dog that won't break their heart super early. They're desperate to avoid the short lifespans that plague that breed. If the dog doesn't shed as much its just a bonus for most of them, they just want a dog that might live to see a decade. I don't know if there's a better answer for them given that the only solution is to breed the issues out and the smaller the genepool the more that requires outcrossing. I suppose some other doodle mixes might be the result of the same issue, but that's the only group I know of where it kind of makes sense. I've heard of similar reasoning for goldendoodles and the golden retriever's high incidence of cancer, but at this point it seems clear that it doesn't work out. When I last looked their forums were flush with people saying their goldendoodles have as high or a higher incidence of cancer. Probably because the best breeders aren't going to offer their dogs up to create mixes, especially if/when their lines don't have the same problems.
I remember reading about the man who crossed labs with poodles to produce a hypo-allergenic service dog. The dogs weren't popular until he came up with the cute "-doodle" term - apparently people didn't want a dog that was part poodle. I heard that he regretted ever making the cross once he saw the explosion in doodles. As a neighbor says, "Why doodle when you can poodle?"
What started all this for me was the fact that the breeder decided to refund my deposit instead of providing documentation confirming that the dog was indeed a poodle They indicated that they could provide documentation but it was easier just to refund me. I could tell she was pretty offended.
You are so lucky, You dodged a bullet here. The conformation of that dog was so poor that the puppies might have had serious issues with its joints.
If I were you, I would look for a pure bred dog known not to shed. Look for a puppy from a quality breeder, one who does all the Heath testing, shows their dogs in dog sports to show their dogs have good personalities and are built to work and who looks for the best dog to mate their dog so they improve the breed.
It doesn’t have to be a poodle, but you can doodle a poodle with its hair cut.
Hi Simoes! Welcome to the Forum from a fellow Canadian, it's a great community here!
As you can see from so many comments, poodle lovers love their poodles! Hence all the recommendations to go for a poodle lol ;-)
I love doodles as well, and I will add one more vote for poodles as I find everything people look for in a doodle is in a poodle, only more reliably so (like the hypoallergenic, non shredding trait). They're amazing dogs. I've noticed a lot of misinformation about poodles that make people opt for a doodle, like the hybrid vigor myth. But do keep a poodle in mind, they're just as healthy if not healthier than the doodles if they're from health tested parents. A well bred poodle is never aggressive or hyper either.
Just some friendly thoughts from a doodle to poodle convert!
All the best with choosing a dog!
From all the comments, I'm pretty certain that the stud they are using is not a purebred. That being said, the puppies they are claiming are F!Bs are potentially F2s due to the stud potentially being a mix (doddle). It really does look like the breeder is potentially misrepresenting their dogs and people are not getting what they are paying for.
What started all this for me was the fact that the breeder decided to refund my deposit instead of providing documentation confirming that the dog was indeed a poodle They indicated that they could provide documentation but it was easier just to refund me. I could tell she was pretty offended.
It can be difficult to distinguish between a 75% poodle cross and a poodle, especially if the 100% poodle comes from a less reputable breeder. Regardless of whether the dog in the photo is 100% poodle, there appear to be significant deviations from the breed standard that suggest lower quality breeding. Do you have photos of the dog stacked? How old is he? Are you considering buying him?
the conformation is abysmal- looks like it will have debilitating problems. I remember seeing this dog here before a few months ago—
The post was asking about that stud’s back legs and when they should breed it. Everyone told them not to but the poster didn’t care. I guess this is one of the offspring…
the conformation is abysmal- looks like it will have debilitating problems. I remember seeing this dog here before a few months ago—
The post was asking about that stud’s back legs and when they should breed it. Everyone told them not to but the poster didn’t care. I guess this is one of the offspring…
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