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What lines or kennels that have nice inky black dogs that do not fade ?
 

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:) No one wants to touch this one... yet at least.

Best to talk to people who actually have a deep inky older black poodle as they really know.

My Czech import, Kia, is such a black. I am hoping her only black daughter will stay just as inky, with no grizzling. (Cloe just turned 2 so that can still change but so far I'm very pleased.)

Here is a picture I just took of Kia with her 'one day old' puppies.
 

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:) No one wants to touch this one... yet at least.

Best to talk to people who actually have a deep inky older black poodle as they really know.

My Czech import, Kia, is such a black. I am hoping her only black daughter will stay just as inky, with no grizzling. (Cloe just turned 2 so that can still change but so far I'm very pleased.)

Here is a picture I just took of Kia with her 'one day old' puppies.
That is the thing when I go to dog shows. I don't know if they will stay black or not most of the dogs out are not veterans. Just younger dogs. I heard they can grizzle or fade out after 2 yrs like you said.

I have found some nice looking dogs I would consider wanting a puppy put of but I guess I need to start asking about if they faded or not.
 

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Just know when you do, you might get people balking on dealing with you. Not everyone wants to talk about their dog's fading colors and it's a very touchy issue with some breeders. Trust me when I say I know first hand.;)
 

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Looking for another poodle there, Roxy? ;D I'm sure we'll all approve of this decision.
Probably not now just want to gain Knowledge for future references.

O DReef I also notice the imports are inky blacks and stay. So I was looking at the huffish line. but I have heard some bad things about some offsprings temperaments lately, I am not sure if its even from that line but so far my findings is leading towards it or should I say one particular dog out of that line. Not really sure yet still looking into it. There are so many angles to look at when people tell you things about these dogs. ( well thats how i look at it anyways lol)
 

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Oh LOL Desert did guess it right LOL !!!! I wrote and erased posts couple of times trying to see who is going to go first LMAO

I know who my favorite breeders are - but they might not be favorite to somebody else and do not want to make a "miss-match" and be responsible :fish:

Yes Desert- I already complemented your Czech dog to other members - I LOVE her in many ways !!! Just a beautiful dog !!! (in my opinion ...) I know that she is not a "pretty-pretty", but I like seriousness in black dogs and also that she is a more "compact" than what is usual here in the USA (at least on the photo she looks like nice 22 inch perhaps ???) Maybe I am wrong - I still find her very nice ...
 

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I think Black breeders are pretty straight forward about whether or not their dogs are good Blacks. Most will tell you without blinking an eye that, "Oh ya, he was dyed for the ring."

The Swedish imports in this country and their offspring tend to have very good black color.

These guys all have stud dogs who are good inky Blacks

Grandeur Kennels
http://www.grandeurs.net
CH Escorts Yannick Le Noir
They have puppies (PM me before you talk to her).

Safari
http://my.ilstu.edu/~cahuff/studs.html
CH. JOUET SECOND 2 NONE
I saw his daughter showing at our Specialty and she was nice.

Robinsong Poodles
CH Highspirits Irrefutable
Joan Harrigan
207.389.2866

Folks who have puppies that may stay a good black:
Cascade Poodles
http://www.cascadestandardpoodles.com/
They have a litter on the ground

Others maybe to talk to:
http://www.nightsechopoodles.com/index.html
 

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Thanks CBrand to the list of breeders. I'll be on the lookout myself for Kia's daughter Cleo ( I wrote Cloe earlier... she's been spayed.)
 

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Maybe in the circles you frequent but when you are a pet owner looking for another pet and you ask that question, I've yet to get a straight answer.
 

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Probably not now just want to gain Knowledge for future references.

O DReef I also notice the imports are inky blacks and stay. So I was looking at the huffish line. but I have heard some bad things about some offsprings temperaments lately, I am not sure if its even from that line but so far my findings is leading towards it or should I say one particular dog out of that line. Not really sure yet still looking into it. There are so many angles to look at when people tell you things about these dogs. ( well thats how i look at it anyways lol)
HA HA HA funny you should mention that....
Willow has some Huffish on her dad's side- shes nuts!
not in a "im going to bite you and pee myself" sort of way- just very hyper and has that "im better than the rest of this crap- so look at me" attitude.

I was talking to the breeder the other day, and she said Willow's sister is affectionately known as "Demon Seed" LOL and insists its the european lines

Willow is alot of dog in a small package (shes somewhere between 18-20 ish inches, I have to measure her)
and is my only dog that can fetch. She will do well in performance I think
 

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HA HA HA funny you should mention that....
Willow has some Huffish on her dad's side- shes nuts!
not in a "im going to bite you and pee myself" sort of way- just very hyper and has that "im better than the rest of this crap- so look at me" attitude.

I was talking to the breeder the other day, and she said Willow's sister is affectionately known as "Demon Seed" LOL and insists its the european lines
Willow is alot of dog in a small package (shes somewhere between 18-20 ish inches, I have to measure her)
and is my only dog that can fetch. She will do well in performance I think
LOL see I keep getting stuff like this hahaha.
 

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I would stay away from some particular Swedish imports - some are great - some are just plain crazy !!!!!!

I would go to Avion for a puppy any day , though !!!!!
 

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LOL see I keep getting stuff like this hahaha.
In Willow's case, she needs a firm, but kind owner...kind of like a bulldog. I wouldn't reccomend her (and dogs like her) for first time owners, people who want a quiet couch potato dog and things like that. I would reccomend her for performance/compitition homes, and very active homes (people who like to hike and stuff like that)
 

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In Willow's case, she needs a firm, but kind owner...kind of like a bulldog. I wouldn't reccomend her (and dogs like her) for first time owners, people who want a quiet couch potato dog and things like that. I would reccomend her for performance/compitition homes, and very active homes (people who like to hike and stuff like that)
Yes this is how i feel when people talk about these dogs, that they are more like a dominate stubborn breed that needs firm handling and activity.

I think you nailed it :D
 
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