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And what percentage would you want to shoot for when looking for a puppy?
On poodlepedigree you can look at it under genetic pedigree info.And what percentage would you want to shoot for when looking for a puppy?
Gulp! The Wycliffe line was known for very, very close linebreedings, but that pedigree pretty much takes the cake.Wow. WOW!
This dog's COI is 93%!
http://www.poodlepedigree.com/pedigree.asp?ID=49633
How about that number? Lol.. is that bad?
This is not true. The more common ancestors the higher the chance of doubling up on recessive genes that cause health issues.The higher the number, the more the common ancestors. The more common ancestors in a pedigree, the higher the risk of health issues.
That is very true a lot of breeders want to hide stuff to keep their reputation.I said exactly what you said, but in different words. The more the common ancestors, the HIGHER the risks.
And yes, people need to research pedigrees like crazy and get health testing information from a breeder they may be interested in. The Poodle Health Registry is a good place to start looking for problems, BUT, there is nothing in place which requires an owner to report issues that do exist, so we are relying on the honesty of the breeders to report these things, and a lot won`t for fear of hurting their business.
then if they cannot produce what you need to see do not buy from them Why perpetuate a problem ? That is where the issues come from . We need to test the foundation dogs in our breeding programs. Not relying on what someone has told us . If its not there. either in CHIC or OFFA then it is not happening. That is the problem not the COI. You can have a super low COI with no testing and that means nothing .. You can still be producing eye, hip and bleeding issues..God this COI thing really stitcks in my craw . Why get hung up on something that is without proof. Heath testing is proof COI without testing is nothing !!!!!IMHO That isThat is very true a lot of breeders want to hide stuff to keep their reputation.
If a breeder is hiding that they produced a dog with addison's how would you know ? its not mandatory to report to PHR .... this is what I am talking about. There is not test for it. So you could be thinking you are getting something you want and never know about the breeders issues. This is why pedigree research is key.then if they cannot produce what you need to see do not buy from them Why perpetuate a problem ? That is where the issues come from . We need to test the foundation dogs in our breeding programs. Not relying on what someone has told us . If its not there. either in CHIC or OFFA then it is not happening. That is the problem not the COI. You can have a super low COI with no testing and that means nothing .. You can still be producing eye, hip and bleeding issues..God this COI thing really stitcks in my craw . Why get hung up on something that is without proof. Heath testing is proof COI without testing is nothing !!!!!IMHO That is![]()
How does one know if a breeder who is breeding dogs with high COI's or doing a lot of linebreeding KNOWS what they are doing? Are they breeding two particular dogs because they see a way to improve quality and health, or is it a mere matter of convenience? A number of breeders who THOUGHT they knew what they were doing when line breeding have had health issues crop up, then its a matter of "Oops, I guess I shouldn't have done that" while the poor families who bought their puppies now get to watch their dogs die. If they had researched the lines better and considered the seriousness of the recessive genes in a linebred dog, this would not have happened. And one of the ways to check into this is through the COI!!If a breeder is hiding that they produced a dog with addison's how would you know ? its not mandatory to report to PHR .... this is what I am talking about. There is not test for it. So you could be thinking you are getting something you want and never know about the breeders issues. This is why pedigree research is key.
I am not hung on low COI either I have experienced genetic issues with my cats that where not even related. So I already know low COI means crap same thing when people say high COI means health issues. I have seen breedings done SEVERAL times that where mother to son and vice versa and the dogs came out find. ( another breed tho) so its not all bad you just have to know what you are doing.
Again I state that coi and health testing are seperate things. Why shouldn't we be concerned with both??There is no arguing going on here the questions was What is an acceptable COI and the answer was that health testing is more important. You cannot have a low COI with no testing . What is there to argue about? The answer is buy from breeders who have health testing that you can verify and if you plan to breed KNOW Who you are buying from Do not get hung on COI it is not the end all be all tha is all No arguing ? OFFA and CHIC are where the answers lie What do you think was done before COI? Seriously ?