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Hi everyone👋 anyone got a bald poodle?

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#1 ·
Hi I was wondering has anyone here got a bald poodle? our little girl is bald apart from her head and bottom legs oh and a bit on the tail otherwise shes as smooth as a baby bottom☺
She is absolutely gorgeous but it's so sad as she had a wonderful thick coat.vets have done every test under the sun but can't explain it,I just was curious if any of you had seen this before?
 
#2 ·
Welcome to PF.

More detail would be helpful before the speculation begins, but, yes, we have seen members who have had their poodles lose coat.

How old is she?
When did this start happening?
Is she traditionally spayed?

What testing has been done?

Has she been seen by either an internal medicine specialist or a veterinary dermatologist?
 
#5 ·
Welcome to PF.

More detail would be helpful before the speculation begins, but, yes, we have seen members who have had their poodles lose coat.

How old is she?
When did this start happening?
Is she traditionally spayed?

What testing has been done?

Has she been seen by either an internal medicine specialist or a veterinary dermatologist?
Hi,
she's a black possibly blue toy poodle

Age 8yrs now started loosing fur at 18mth old

She's was spayed at 8mths

She's had yrs of tests seen specialists .

They have run out of tests to do and we didn't want to put her through anymore.
She also has epilepsy.

She's such a sweet little girl.
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#6 ·
color dilution alopecia related to blue hair, but alopecia X is related to hormones.
 
#8 ·
OK thank you, alopecia was the first diagnosis but then the hair never grows back so now they don't think it's that.

She lost 17 teeth when 4yrs old because she had a very rare problem where teeth grow inside teeth and caused unseen abscess it wasn't until they xrayed her they saw she had a problem poor little girl she showed no sign of pain.

So they think she had the abscess for a long time and that might be the cause of the hair loss?

Thanks for all your help .
 
#12 · (Edited)
All I know about a link between hair loss and dental disease is connected with the Chinese Crested.

I would think color dilution alopecia but it doesn't affect all her blue.

A while back my blue phantom Flower's coat started to thin on her torso, but it was years later that a thyroid issue showed up. I never did find out a real answers through my searches. Flower also lost all her teeth by 6 yrs but her hair thinning didn't begin until she was 13

Alopecia X is a catch all diagnosis when there isn't a exact answer for the cause only 30 to 40% regrow hair after desexing
 
#13 ·
Keep in mind that there are two unrelated mechanisms causing "blue" coats in poodles. The common one is where a black dog fades to blue or silver. This variant is not related to alopecia. The other is a dilution gene; the dog is born blue and generally has a blue pigmented nose as well. This dilution gene is the one that's linked to alopecia. It's rare, though not unknown, in poodles.
 
#14 · (Edited)
vets have done every test under the sun but can't explain it
Have any of these vets been veterinary dermatology specialists?

I started researching thru some medical and other reliable sites for some clues.

There is a common thread in these sites when describing alopecia x, which is known now by several names, and non-inflammatory alopecia. These articles and papers may not all be terribly current in diagnostic practices and terminology but the physical description is very similar.


Adult-onset Growth Hormone-Responsive Alopecia
A disorder of uncertain and questioned pathogenesis. High frequency in the Pomeranian, Chow Chow, Keeshond, and Poodle. Onset of coat problems early in adulthood (1-3 years). Males over represented. Coat changes seen include coat color change, loss of primary but retention of secondary hairs, and hair loss in the collar region, thighs and ventrum. The alopecia becomes more complete and widespread with advancing time. Exposed skin hyper-pigments quickly and markedly. Beyond the skin changes, the dogs are otherwise normal. Some dogs appear small in stature but are at the low end of the breed standard.

Affected individuals show minimal growth hormone response to the administration of xylazine and many regrow hair when growth hormone is administered. Since there are no specific growth hormone receptors in the skin, not all dogs respond to treatment, and there is a striking breed overlap with the adrenal hyperplasia-like syndrome, the growth hormone "deficiency" may just be part of the adrenal dysfunction. This is supported when the dog regrows hair with treatment of the adrenal disease.
Sex Hormone Dermatoses - WSAVA2004 - VIN


Hair Loss with No Skin Inflammation
  • Non-inflammatory alopecia is a group of uncommon skin disorders, characterized by hair loss that is associated with an abnormal hair growth/shed cycle
  • Hormonal and non-hormonal diseases can be associated with non-inflammatory hair loss (alopecia)
  • Alopecia X is a non-inflammatory alopecia related to an abnormal hair growth/shed cycle; it has been called by many names previously, including “growth hormone-responsive alopecia,” “castration-responsive alopecia,” and “adrenal hyperplasia-like syndrome”
Breed Predilections
Alopecia X—miniature poodle

Signs/Observed Changes in The Pet
Hair loss (alopecia)—usually generalized and bilaterally symmetrical; involves the trunk, along the sides of the body (known as “truncal alopecia”) and spares the head and lower legs;
Pet Health Article: Hair Loss with No Skin Inflammation (tricountyah.com)


Non-inflammatory alopecia
The causes of non-inflammatory alopecia include hormonal diseases (such as hypothyroidism, hyperadrenocorticism or Cushing‘s syndrome, hyperestrogenism, and Sertoli cell tumour) and hair follicle dystrophy/dysplasias (dilute colour alopecia) and alopecia X. Non-inflammatory alopecia usually appears symmetrical, in the absence of other skin lesions and without pruritus.

Alopecia X
The pathogenesis of alopecia X has not yet been fully established. Predisposed breeds are Pomeranian, Chow Chow, Siberian Husky, Alaskan Malamute and Samoyed. Symmetrical non-inflammatory alopecia of the neck, caudal thighs and trunk are the dermatological lesions that occur without systemic clinical signs. The alopecia can appear both before and after castration.
LK_Alopecia in dogs _EN_BattLab.indd

This article goes over several, including color dilution alopecia which may also show the same pattern of hair loss.
Focal, non-inflammatory alopecia: A diagnostic, treatment challenge (dvm360.com)

Another
Differential diagnosis of non-inflammatory alopecia in dogs (laboklin.com)

One more
Alopecia X in Dogs (Hair Cycle Arrest) - MedVet


The common thread in these is the symmetrical hair loss which may spare the head and lower legs from the loss.

I'd look to a derm specialist who's dealt with alopecia x and non-inflammatory alopecia.
 
#16 ·
What a cute girl. Have they ever considered lupus (systemic / SLE, not the cutaneous one). I have this in remission. It causes mysterious combinations of things including seizures and alopecia. Fatigue, allergies and arthritis-like issues are among very common symptoms. They look at anti-dsDNA to diagnose it, but it's not always a requirement.