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I wanted to go over a show prospect that Im blanning on purchasing from a breeder. I see you don't allow Private messages and I was hoping you can message me with your email. Let me know....I promise this is not a waste of your time. :)
 

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Man, where the heck is Sivaro? LOL!

Is your show prospect going to be a female or male, Jenn?
I wanna see pictures! :p
 

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Its a male, creme Standard. I wont say the breeder because I dont want a certain someone making contact with her. Anyway, he has a awesome pedigree and daddy is just georgeous. Its not a done deal yet...late next week I'll know for sure on my end.
 

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Man, where the heck is Sivaro? LOL!

Is your show prospect going to be a female or male, Jenn?
I wanna see pictures! :p
Who new the hubby would say yes, and Im having 2nd thoughts. lol For some reason I just can't commit. Im going to take it as a sign and just wait a little longer.
 

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Sorry darls, didnt realise I wouldnt accept pms. Must have hit the button by mistake. Todd gets through :p Will see if I can change it.
 

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awww Jenn why you having second thoughts? Hope you make a decision soon! He sounds gorgeous xx
I wanted to post some pics but I couldn't get them uploaded. :confused:
There is a few things...I love the father but the pups dam isn't the best looking bitch in my opinion. Im sure she has nice qualities but I don't care for her head. The male pup I was considering, his muzzle is a tad longer then prefered. The breeder says it's supposed to be that long but I think its a bit longer then it should be. But for a hefty price I don't want to have any reservations.

So I decided to just wait and show Mikey for now. Mikey is nice other then he has a shorter muzzle. In pics its not very noticeable but you can tell in person. I would also like to get 2 more inches on Mikey. He is only 9 months so we still have a little time. lol Other then those two things he is a very nice boy. Im going to clip Mikey in a Continental cut in the next few days and get him going. We still have to grow that hair out though. I'll post some stacked pics after I clip him.
 

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He is a lovely dog Jenn, love his lengthy muzzle also. The breeder is right in saying that. If you havnt had length in the muzzle before its would be something you are not use to yet. You will appreciate it more as you keep going. Dam isnt the best but she is ok. Pedigree of sire is lovely. His age would be the hardest thing to deal with when you want to show. Unless she has had him out already, you will struggle for a while getting him right.

Im here if you need more help as I said in the email. :D
 

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He is a lovely dog Jenn, love his lengthy muzzle also. The breeder is right in saying that. If you havnt had length in the muzzle before its would be something you are not use to yet. You will appreciate it more as you keep going. Dam isnt the best but she is ok. Pedigree of sire is lovely. His age would be the hardest thing to deal with when you want to show. Unless she has had him out already, you will struggle for a while getting him right.

Im here if you need more help as I said in the email. :D


I do love Eli's muzzle and his is long. I can't stand Mikey's... its too short. Oh and No she doesn't have him out showing yet. I think maybe I should consider a younger pup instead if I do anything. I better give myself plenty of time to make a good decision. I always have time. lol :)
 

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I do love Eli's muzzle and his is long. I can't stand Mikey's... its too short. Oh and No she doesn't have him out showing yet. I think maybe I should consider a younger pup instead if I do anything. I better give myself plenty of time to make a good decision. I always have time. lol :)
Good on you Jenn, its best when spending that type of money that you wait cause you never know whats around the corner for you.
 

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He is a lovely dog Jenn, love his lengthy muzzle also. The breeder is right in saying that. If you havnt had length in the muzzle before its would be something you are not use to yet. You will appreciate it more as you keep going. Dam isnt the best but she is ok. Pedigree of sire is lovely. His age would be the hardest thing to deal with when you want to show. Unless she has had him out already, you will struggle for a while getting him right.

Im here if you need more help as I said in the email. :D
I emailed Jenn about him and I have to disagree about his muzzle it looked too long to me but it could just be his age. The sire is nice I agree there but the dame in my honest opinion should have not been bred ;) She was just not what I would call a good representation of the breed. I took on a 11 month old Standard to show and so far things are going well, I agree its easier with a pup but sometimes its better to get an older dog so you have more of idea of what its going to mature into.
 

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I emailed Jenn about him and I have to disagree about his muzzle it looked too long to me but it could just be his age. The sire is nice I agree there but the dame in my honest opinion should have not been bred ;) She was just not what I would call a good representation of the breed. I took on a 11 month old Standard to show and so far things are going well, I agree its easier with a pup but sometimes its better to get an older dog so you have more of idea of what its going to mature into.
Lots of young dogs appear to have longer muzzles cause there now is a topknot. He has a lovely head and muzzle imo. Why I said about a younger dog, and saying this due to how much this woman breeds is I doubt she has put much work into them. She does have alot of litters but also lots of older puppies too. When there is that many dogs they can be ruined if you want to show them cause their temperaments arent right. This isnt cause its genetic its cause they havnt been socialised.

I bought 2 off a woman, a female 8 1/2 mths and male 5 1/2 mths. Both had hardly anything done and both are that feril. The female was shown only a few times, but I cant do much with them and have spent months of work on them. They may just be breeders soon if they dont get their act together. Got a lovely show quality girl out of the bitch and the dog is now the sire to the 6 week old ones. Both are producing show quality, and great temperaments. Oh they arent that young anymore btw just incase you think I bred to soon. The female is now 21 mths, the male is 14 mths.
 

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Lots of young dogs appear to have longer muzzles cause there now is a topknot. He has a lovely head and muzzle imo. Why I said about a younger dog, and saying this due to how much this woman breeds is I doubt she has put much work into them. She does have alot of litters but also lots of older puppies too. When there is that many dogs they can be ruined if you want to show them cause their temperaments arent right. This isnt cause its genetic its cause they havnt been socialised.

I bought 2 off a woman, a female 8 1/2 mths and male 5 1/2 mths. Both had hardly anything done and both are that feril. The female was shown only a few times, but I cant do much with them and have spent months of work on them. They may just be breeders soon if they dont get their act together. Got a lovely show quality girl out of the bitch and the dog is now the sire to the 6 week old ones. Both are producing show quality, and great temperaments. Oh they arent that young anymore btw just incase you think I bred to soon. The female is now 21 mths, the male is 14 mths.

Right thats why I said it could be due to his age and the pictures might not do him justice he could be awesome in person. I also mentioned to Jenn she has a lot of dogs and that make one think that they might be a little loose on who gets bred to who. Who knows *shrug* I think Jenn could do better.

It just depends on the dog really and a great handler can make a okay dog great but sometimes dogs just don't care to show!
 

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Well I just emailed her and said Im going to pass. Plus the other male (littermate brother) is suddenly spoken for since I asked for pics of him yesterday. Thats not someone I want to purchase a dog from. Yes I want a beautiful dog to start with but I also would like to keep a good relationship with the breeder. She seems like she is overwhelmed with dogs (possibly over breeding!!!)

I spoke to a breeder in San Diego yesterday and really liked her. However, her dogs are 2,500.00 pet or show quality on Co-own. Right now I can't afford that much. She was very nice and wanted to keep me in close range of what I do with her dog, which I really like. That show's me she doesn't want her bloodlines ruined and I don't mind keeping the breeder on the dog until they CH. I would NEVER sell my dogs to newbies with full ownership. You just can't take that chance these days.... I don't blame her.

Anyhow Im just going to sit back and chill out about the dog stuff right now. If one come's up then great. Dog shopping is stressful. lol
 

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Good for you. Better waiting and getting what you want, then get now and be disappointed. The right dog will come along.

Good things come to those who wait :whoo:
 

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Good for you. Better waiting and getting what you want, then get now and be disappointed. The right dog will come along.

Good things come to those who wait :whoo:


Thanks. :proud: Looks like Im going to have to really save up. I spoke with a few more breeders today and their show potentials are $3000.00 . Thats going to be a big buy. What Im really looking for seems to run that much.

Im sure he or she will be worth every penny when the time comes.
 

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Wow, big money, now you better get something worth that price. Problem being is they can start off really nice, and can start growing bad. So my advice due to spending that type of money, even the price you were going to pay atm, is to get a guarantee. If the puppy doesnt end up show quality by the time he/she is fully grown, they replace or give your money back.

Most of the time we can be satisfied how they grow, occassionally something goes wrong, bad mouth, movement, or just not growing to something with that hey look at me attitude. There is alot of things we consider for the ring and its not just looks. Type is great, but you need temperament, attitude and soundness. Noone will ever find that perfect dog but we do expect something close too.

And personally I would go a female so you could breed later and get a puppy under your prefix.

Best of luck. :whoo:
 

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Wow, big money, now you better get something worth that price. Problem being is they can start off really nice, and can start growing bad. So my advice due to spending that type of money, even the price you were going to pay atm, is to get a guarantee. If the puppy doesnt end up show quality by the time he/she is fully grown, they replace or give your money back.

Most of the time we can be satisfied how they grow, occassionally something goes wrong, bad mouth, movement, or just not growing to something with that hey look at me attitude. There is alot of things we consider for the ring and its not just looks. Type is great, but you need temperament, attitude and soundness. Noone will ever find that perfect dog but we do expect something close too.

And personally I would go a female so you could breed later and get a puppy under your prefix.

Best of luck. :whoo:
Yes...making sure there's a guarantee will be a must. I have to ask when you refer to bad mouth are you meaning bite? But yes that is the other desicion Im not sure about is taking a male or female. If I take a male, when he studs out a few yrs later I plan to take pic pup for stud fee. Here , males usually finish easier then the bitches also. So thats another thing Im thinking about. Do I want to stress myself and finances out more trying to finish a bitch for my first Poodle??? Plenty of things to think about now. lol I love female dogs so this all will be interesting.
 
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