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Well We went to the show today and was so DISAPPOINTED because my sister and Enzo did not even get to go in the ring.

What happen was we went to the show stewart 40 mins beforethe poodles where showing. My sister told him this was her first show and we needed the number. Well the stewart ( which was a very old man) looks in the catalog and just gives my sister a number.

So 1:35 comes and she is standing there waiting to be call in the ring. I see the only dog that was in his class in the ring I ran up to her and asked my sister are you sure your not supposed to be in the ring ? she went to stewart and asked him again did you call 10 ? he said no.... Then another handler ran up to us and tells us you should be in the ring now you have a male dog but have a even number.... So she went to the stewart again He looks in his book and sees he gave her the wrong number. He was being so nasty and rude about it making it seem like it was my sisters fault and he was saying i called you in the ring already ..... we did not have the right number so we where listening for 10 and not 5 ... He said there is nothing he could do.

I was so mad and sad because I think he could have won his class. The whole time I thought the black puppy in the ring was a bitch . he was really small so I think Enzo had a chance.

We just left after that and we thanked the other handlers for at least speaking up and telling us.

:weep:

 

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Well that sucks! Did you happen to get the ring stewards name? I would let the Kennel Club you were showing at know what happened at at least get your entry fee back.

Don't worry there will be more shows for him to conquer!

Well his name is in the catalog I think so we will be emailing the superintendents and the club. So I hope we get our money back.

 

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Thanks guys

here are thr few pictures I took of some dogs before I found out what happened

 

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Here are two of Enzo

 

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That's soo upsetting. Thats the kind of crap I hate with AKC. It doesn't happen often but they can be rude even when they are the idiot! Is Enzo entered for tomorrow?

Are those picks of the Bitches? They have no bone and arent much to look at. Where you impressed by any other Poodles there?

No he is not entered for tomorrow ... now I wish he was because that puppy who was in his class was so SMALL ! I wish I took a picture of him but the handler with silver poodle was in the way.

I am not even sure what class the two black dogs where in I was just waiting for Enzo to get in the ring and , when I saw these two dogs I knew something has happened, since puppies are always first.

No I was only impressed with one dog and it was the dog that the handler who helped us had.

 

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Personally I would have made a formal complaint against the stewart. Its takes a lot of time and money to not only enter dogs but petrol, hard work doing the dog and some ppl paying others to do them. Next time complain.

Also please never make the assumption that a dog could have won due to height. There are many dogs that are small that have fantastic conformation.
at the end of the day, sometimes the nicer dog wont win and everything is just a judges decision. You could put 4 judges in the ring and get different results.

We did complain but every one said there is nothing they could do .......

Well it was nit just the dogs height .... that I was making the assumption .... The dog was not that great looking in general the height was the most noticeable. In AKC Judges really do not pic small dogs where you live its probably different ....

 

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Wow, I am sorry to hear this!! That had to be extremely upsetting. Definitely if something happens like that again you should file a formal complaint. In fact, I think you still may be able to, call the AKC on Monday and tell them what happened and you want to make a complaint. You paid your money, you were there at the ringside, you were not given you dog's number... which is odd seeing as the steward is supposed to match up your dogs name to the number he gives you, and they ask which class so they look at the right class for your dog, if you did tell him that your dog was entered in 'puppy dog' class then he should not have given you a bitches number and he should have matched up your dog's name to the number anyway.

Good luck in your next show!!

Yes We are going to call the superintendent tomorrow to get our money back and to complain.

 

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I forgot to say the only good thing that came out of this was that Enzo did not drool or vomit. He also was well behaved outside the ring lol

 

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Sorry to hear that Enzo didn't get into the ring, Roxy. I hope you get your fees back and there's always next time. Have you entered him in any other shows?

Well his next shows will be UKC I think we might try 2 in AKC also since Chris Bailey from Jaset poodles and Peggy Mcdill from espree poodles will be there to help us so nothing should go wrong next time at the AKC show.

 

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Roxy -

So sorry to hear what happened to the two of you. The steward should have given you the correct number. J

ust a helpful hint for you - when you are entered in an AKC show, you are sent a slip by the show chair ahead of time that has your dog's info/number on it. Just take this to the show with you and check and double check. I am always paranoid about getting the wrong number, missing my class, etc...

Marsha

Thanks for that info I didn't even know it would be listed on the receipt
I will make sure we get his number and just tell the steward.

 

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It amazes me that Enzo wasn't allowed in when the other poodle people realized what had happened. Unless the judge has finished judging the class the steward can ask them to admit you late to the class. Of course once everything has been judged and the ribbon awarded then you're out of luck. Still though, something to keep in mind. Hey there is a cheap book called "Show Me" you'll probably have to find it on Amazon as I believe it's out of date. It explains a lot in detail what goes on at a show and some of the little tips and tricks and rules that otherwise are hard to learn. Maybe get that book It was the first one I got as a kid and it was easy to understand though it isn't written for children.

The slip just looked like a receipt I didn't see anything on it saying admit one or anything like that. I didn't know you had to bring that .... I asked some breeders about his first show and no one mention bring a slip.

Enzo could not enter the ring because it was too late ....

 

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Roxy, who was the super? You said it was an AKC show correct, I didn't misunderstand that part right.

Yeah it was AKC show we have the program and thank god it lists the Stewards name so we will be contacting the superintendent today for our refund. The super is Jack Bradshaw

I am just happy someone was nice enough to tell us we had the wrong number because usually other handlers/owners do not help newbies lol

we will be going to 2 AKC shows next month so now we will know what to do as for the book I bought show me book but it has not came in the mail (ironically) I got it off ebay for 1.55 LMAO

We have 2 UKC shows planned and I hope we do not mess up there since I do not know how UKC works

I have two ther handling books but they focus on handling.

 

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I personally haven't had that ever happen to us before and chances are it will never happen again. Still its too bad it did though. Even if you forget the info they send you for your entry, the binder they look it up from is right on the table that you check in at. My husband usually points out his own name on the binder page before the ring stuart even see's it. Just try to get a good look at the binder info before you walk away with the number they hand you. (if you forget the booklet info from home)

Also, we almost always have to pay for parking when we show. The clubs around here almost never include any type of pass for the exhibitors.

When I asked my sister did you see Enzo's Name in the catalog did you point to it and she said yes so ? so I don't know why the steward gave her the wrong number. I was not really mad about him giving the wrong number it was the fact that he was getting rude and mean about his own mistake.

Yes thats true about the clubs we had to pay for parking also. Noting is free of cheap in CA lol

 

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LoL, I hope your book arrives. I swear thats one of the best books out there for somebody just starting. It isn't really heavy on details but it tells you what you need to know right away which is good..

I'mnot familiar with bradshaw, but I would caution you to be prepared to not get your money back. I have never heard of them refunding $$ because of any error. The only time I ever see refunds offered if when there is a juge change.
That said, the stewards usually don't work for the super. They aren't hired by the super either. The are hired by the club, (i;ve reccently gotten a real education in the nuts and bolts of planning a show thanks to my mom being the prez of our club). If I were you I would write a letter to the club complaining about the incident. Then I would write to whatever steward organization provided the stewards and lodge a complaint with them. We have a steward who is in our area pretty frequently, there are tons of complaints about her. We fired her from our shows and won't have her back because she's been that way two years in a row. Buh Bye!

Do you think an email is good enough ? On jack bradshaws website it only had email to contact the club .... I have the number for Jack bradshaws number what is funny about this superintendent is the office is down the street from me LMAO .

 

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well my sister just got off the phone with the clubs president and she made a complant. The president said they got several complants against the steward and his wife which was also a steward at the show. They will be having a club meeting soon and they are going talk about the situation and hopefully refund my sister. The president said that they will never hire those two stewards again.

 

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Yes unfortunately at the end of the day its the judges decision. You would have a hard time proving that he put up the wrong dog cause as they say its his decision and its final. Noone could really prove that he didnt believe the dog he put up was/wasnt the best by his own opinion.

Sivaro I think you misunderstood my comment. I am not trying to complain that Enzo could have won if he was in the ring. I was just making a statement That I think Enzo had a CHANCE nothing more.

There was only one dog in that class so of course the Judge will give the dog first place , I have yet to see an AKC judge give the only dog in the class a 2nd 3rd,or 4th place ribbion.

 

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It happens and they can also disqualify if they think the dog isnt worthy of being titled. Its called nil award, have seen it many times in Australia.

Im not saying you are complaining Im just stating how it goes.

In AKC it different I been going to AKC shows for over 10 years and the judges do things differently over her even when it is wrong.

this is why poodles are allowed to enter the ring with hairspray and more than 3 bans in the top knot. None of the judges say anything they just go along with it.

This is also another reason why red standard poodles don't place either, Alot of Judges don't like red so they do not pick it even if the dogs are nice looking . Small standards will not be picked either if they do its rare. but like you said there is nothing you can do about the judges decision but sadly some people take the judges decision way out of context

 

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I don't know anything about showing, but I'm sorry that it ended up like it did for you.

Now that 1st poodle in yoru pics, is that a silver? So thats what Ruby's colouring will be when she grows up? or is it the feet colour that are the silver? LOL i wanna know what she will look like, this time next year lol.

Its ok we are over it we will be ready for the next shows. Yes it is a silver but I am not sure how old the dog was. I know it has to be 12 or older because it has the continental clip

 

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Oh they can do all that here in Australia too, but usually gets them nowhere. Some ppl have actually tried putting them in the ring with a pet clip, judges dont appreciate them and wont put them up. I have only ever seen one judge game enough to put a pet clip up over a dog in full coat.

Yes plenty of colour descrimination here too.

Yeah the judges usually just pick dogs based on peer pressure its really sad.

What colors do they not like in Au ?

Here its reds and Apricots.

 

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Here they dont often put up red, apricot, blue, brown,

Having said that, two of my browns were the biggest winners here. I didnt want to keep them but using someones elses dog and flying my bitch across and only getting browns I kept them, and their daughters. They were stunning and wooed everyone that seen them in the ring. They were real show stoppers.

But I dont often see browns getting put up over black or white.

I forgot about browns I think browns are hard to place in USA also. Browns win more than reds since there are only 4 red standard poodle CH lol