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Would you ever consider buying a puppy from a breeder thats producing standard poodles AND "labradoodles"?

I personally detest the word "labradoodle" so I fondly refer to Neko ((our "labradoodle")) as a lab/poodle mix

But could a breeder who is producing these mutts still be considered a good breeder, if their standard poodles are AKC champions and what not?
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I expect my breeder to be heavily involved in the fancy and no one who really loved Poodles would want to throw Goldens or Labs into the mix.

For the last 5 years, I have lurked on various Doodle breeder forums to keep abreast of the Designer Dog fad. I have yet to see a Doodle breeder who really knew anything about Poodles. They may use them in their breeding programs, but they don't know about correct temperament, structure and they are completely in the dark about health issues.
That is scary to think about. Isn't it ! ?
That used to be true here too, but now they are written at the level of an 8 year old. :eek:hwell:
OMG, the truth is bad lol
We live in such a dumb world lol
OMG, the truth is bad lol
We live in such a dumb world lol
True!

I read a (poorly written) article about high school english/lit classes now allowing "text speak" in papers.

Um, last time I checked, it was TWO MORE LETTERS TO WRITE OUT "you" or "are". What teacher in their right mind would allow that in a paper? It's a pet peeve of mine, I suppose, but still... a paper?

Awww, I also just noticed my "activity" bar went down! It used to be like half full, but now it's only on 28%!
I just read a few doodle breeder forum topics and YIKES!!!!!!! Not good at all...
I DVR'ed that Dogs 101 episode and watched is last night and it was not as bad as I thought, there were a few cavets about needing to have healthy parents, that its a toss up to what you will get etc..

The part about the boy with the black "Labradoodle" had me shaking my head, the dog they had was from a "Labradoodle" to Poodle breeding so it was 75% Poodle...why not just get a pure Poodle? That what I don't get, if they are breeding AWAY from the Lab why add it in at all?

In my opinion any Poodle breeder involved with "Doodles" of any kind is someone I would not buy from.
i have to disagree with all of you im afaid and i hope you dont hate me for it


when i first started looking for a poodle i found him totally by chance i contacted a breeder who was advertiseing a possible litter of partis pups in the future

whe i first spoke to her she was very honest with me about the fact she breeds labradoodles as well i was slightly put off

but after getting to know my breeder and speaking to her alot and finding out that even tho she is breeding x breeds as well she still puts 100% effort in to any puppy she rears

she has all her dogs health checked ie all the tests labs and poodles needs and even has her doodles that she used for breeding checked as well

when i met her and todd for the first time i was so pleased to see how fantasic all her dogs where and how well cared for they where......

so sometimes you need to look a bit deeper to see whole picture of what a breeder is doing

i would recommend my breeder to any one that wants a parti or a doodle that has been breed as well as it can be

please have a look at her websites
http://www.parti-poodles.co.uk/#

http://www.labradoodles.uk.com/

i hope no one will be to negitive i know not all breeders are good but i think that some esp the lady who breed my todd is and it shows in her dogs and puppys
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I just dont understand what the concept is to breeding a lab x poodle or golden x poodle.

The poodle already excells at retrieving, agility, obedience, therapy work, considered almost hypoalergenic, comes in three varieties (toy, mini, standard), its the #2 most intelligent breed, highly trainable, great with kids and wonderful family companion.

So why do they need to breed a lab/golden to a poodle again? It just doesnt make any sense to me. Is it the poodle look people cant get over??? If so, why not have it in a teddy bear clip or shaved down?
I think if you're happy with your pup thats fantastic newpoodlemum :D
but I can understand where the breeders on the forum are saying that don't get it
if someone was to uphold the standard and were trying to make the breed better with every litter available to them
they would never breed lab's with poodles

its really informative to me how strong some feel FOR and against these animals

but from what I've seen every breeder I've found ((in Ohio, PA, WV, Ky, In)) who breeds poodles AND doodles none of them do any sort of agility, or show, they just have plastered everywhere "From CHAMPION pedigree's"

I sort of love the fact that with everyone on the forums help I've become this very scrupulous buyer who wants to know EVERYTHING ((in reason)) about the breeder and their goals
I just dont understand what the concept is to breeding a lab x poodle or golden x poodle.

The poodle already excells at retrieving, agility, obedience, therapy work, considered almost hypoalergenic, comes in three varieties (toy, mini, standard), its the #2 most intelligent breed, highly trainable, great with kids and wonderful family companion.

So why do they need to breed a lab/golden to a poodle again? It just doesnt make any sense to me. Is it the poodle look people cant get over??? If so, why not have it in a teddy bear clip or shaved down?
We don't often agree but this is one place I can agree wholeheartedly!

I can not justify breeding a mutt for any reason. I visited the links newpoodlemum listed and I think everyone would agree with me that f you took out the "Labradoodle" in this quote you would assume they were talking about a Poodle!

"Now a number of years later I can honestly say that my initial instincts about labradoodles were absolutely right. They are the most fabulous, fun, bouncy, crazy, loving and loyal dogs I have ever come across. They also have a highly developed sense of humour and are very intelligent. They are always up to some wicked trick - you can almost see their thought patterns as they try to think of something to make you laugh! A labradoodle is not for the faint hearted, they love lots of attention, walks and fun."
I can not justify breeding a mutt for any reason. I visited the links newpoodlemum listed and I think everyone would agree with me that f you took out the "Labradoodle" in this quote you would assume they were talking about a Poodle!
The funny thing is that f3b labradoodles or whatever looks just like standard poodles to me! I mean, you might as well just get a poodle with an undocked tail and leave its hair a little longer. Voila, instant labradoodle!
Exactly Cdnjennga
its more poodle then lab...and you're basically paying the same amount for the doodle that you would a poodle

I'm all for mutts being just as loveable as "purebred" dogs, but a dog without a good lineage isn't worth ((monetary)) the same as a purebred
I think unfortunatly (fortunatly?) poodles have a stigma about them. Lots of people dont want a "poodle". They want a manly, big, less intelligent (or whatever word you want to put in there :D) dog. People look at them as this high maintence, funny haircut, snobby, unsocial, wussy dog.
I can honestly see where people would get this misconception from. There Are poodles out there that dont have the best temperaments. I think what we LOVE about them, most people dont (and im ok with that, as that means less people own and ruin this wonderful breed).
We love their intelligence and thinking nature. Most people dont want a "thinking" dog, and just want a dog to go along blindly (lets face it, a thinking dog keeps you on your toes). We love the full changeable hair. Most people dont want to do upkeep and dont like the "haircuts". Etc.
I agree with you COMPLETELY
I sort of like that alot more people like these doodles then the real poodle
it makes my lil elphie just a BIT more special to me xDD
((as shallow as that may sound))

I don't want to sound like I'm bashing doodles though =\
I have one ((didn't pay $1500 for it though)) and I love how sweet and calm he is,
but I love the standard poodle so much
hands down...it will be one of the most constant dogs in my life
((maybe another breed thrown in...but ALWAYS a standard))
And no other breed can come close to matching the poodle's sense of humor! My poodle makes me laugh every day. That's what I love most about him!
EXACTLY elphie wakes me up with a smile every morning
anytime I'm down I just play with Elphie for 5 minutes and I'm happier then anything xD
I think unfortunatly (fortunatly?) poodles have a stigma about them. Lots of people dont want a "poodle". They want a manly, big, less intelligent (or whatever word you want to put in there :D) dog. People look at them as this high maintence, funny haircut, snobby, unsocial, wussy dog.
I can honestly see where people would get this misconception from. There Are poodles out there that dont have the best temperaments. I think what we LOVE about them, most people dont (and im ok with that, as that means less people own and ruin this wonderful breed).
We love their intelligence and thinking nature. Most people dont want a "thinking" dog, and just want a dog to go along blindly (lets face it, a thinking dog keeps you on your toes). We love the full changeable hair. Most people dont want to do upkeep and dont like the "haircuts". Etc.
I have put a lot of thought into this before lol, and I honestly think that the poodle stigma is absolutely FORTUNATE

I think that because, for people to see past the stigma, they must be smarter than the average joe, so hopefully, for them being smarter, they'll probably be educated dog owners, who will look after them as they should be.
I once saw a mix between a soft coated wheaten and a standard poodle. It looked like a standard poodle without a haircut. Labradoodles and goldendoodles look like soft coated wheaten terriers. I agree with most people on the subject. Get a damn poodle. Or a wheaten terrier. They can come in two coat types, Irish coat which is thinner and silky, or the american coat, which is more curly and dense. At least you know what your going to get as far as coat and temperment goes. You don't with mix.
exactly Vacheron!
get a poodle or a wheaten
or...if you REALLY want a labradoodle adopt it from a shelter

I just can't imagine these people buying them from breeders =\
exactly Vacheron!
get a poodle or a wheaten
or...if you REALLY want a labradoodle adopt it from a shelter

I just can't imagine these people buying them from breeders =\
Ditto - and with the recent show on AP there will be plenty to chose from:dazed:
I'm so glad I missed that episode of "Dogs 101!" I know two puggle owners and one rescued an adorable dog who was a total terror (and still is on occasion) the other bought a cute pup who grew up to be down right! Both are very much against intentionally breeding mixes now. Animal Planet's shows on purebreds are often innaccurate and feature unethical, high volume breeders. I can't stand that vet either. She's an idiot, who obviously has no problem speaking out on things she has no clue about. Anyone watch her on groomer has it? (I believe she specializes in cats anyway, so I can't understand why she's on television telling Lisa Leady of all people how to groom dogs.) Then there was "In the Dog House" which featured an abusive trainer. I'm pretty sick of AP in general. I've watched a few episodes of "Pitbulls and Parolees" and really like it, though. I think it's a very real show and nothing is sugar coated.

I would not buy from someone who breed mixes period! It's a matter of ethics for me. To say you are trying to better the breed and adhere to the standard, while producing "labradoodles" is the utmost in hypocrisy. I've yet to hear one legitimate reason for producing these mixes anyway. Anything they can do, a poodle can do better. Just b/c some people are unwilling to take a closer look at poodles and see their versatility, is no excuse for throwing Lab into the mix. Besides, many of the dogs are mostly Poodle anyway, the only difference is the haircut. We all know the real reason people breed mixes ($$$$).
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