Doodles & Poodles

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Keithsomething

Discussion Starter · Nov 29, 2009

Would you ever consider buying a puppy from a breeder thats producing standard poodles AND "labradoodles"?

I personally detest the word "labradoodle" so I fondly refer to Neko ((our "labradoodle")) as a lab/poodle mix

But could a breeder who is producing these mutts still be considered a good breeder, if their standard poodles are AKC champions and what not?

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Keithsomething

Discussion Starter · #21 · Nov 29, 2009

exactly spoospirit
its like a shot in the dark with those things
on the show tonight they were saying how they come in different coat varieties..."straight, wavy, and curly"
but I'm pretty sure they didn't mention the fact that you can't predict those coats at all =\

spoospirit

· #22 · Nov 29, 2009

Well.....SURE....they are totally unpredictable; so, they are making this into a sales point. WOW! They also come laid-back, calm, and good natured, and they come hyper, and mindless and everything in between. LOL

Keithsomething

Discussion Starter · #23 · Nov 29, 2009

thats one of the things I love about poodles
you know what your getting coat wise, unless you buy from a crappy breeder ((like I did)) then again its a shot in the dark

the people on the show did say not to breed the "Designer Dogs" to one another
I may have been to involved yelling at the television to remember what they said would happen though xD

bigpoodleperson

· #24 · Nov 29, 2009

I dont remember them saying that in the show. I as amazed when Doc Halligan said that you Only want to get a poodle to lab breeding (first generation). Everything ive heard is that you do Not want to get the first breeding! That is so unpredictable. You want to get further down the generations so it is much more predictable in what you are getting.

flyingduster

· #25 · Nov 29, 2009

actually the first generation is usually the most predictable, as they are totally 50% poodle & 50% lab. Second generation is often bred BACK to a poodle, or a lab, making them 25/75%, OR if you breed a first generation labadoodle back to another one, then it could be almost fully lab, or almost fully poodle, or some weird mix inbetween, cos the two halves of the parents each mix up so much. Same for third generation, and it takes way more generations before getting an actual reasonbly reliable type of dog. First generation crosses are usually pretty much the same though.

Marian

· #26 · Nov 29, 2009

I agree with everyone who asks "Why not just get a POODLE?"

But never mind the poodle mixes, why on earth would anyone want to mix a Chihuahua and a Yorkie? It seems like they come out either really cute, or looking like a Chinese Crested gone horribly wrong. And the yapping!

If someone mixed a spoo and a Yorkie, they could call it a Sporky. Just sayin'. :doh:

plumcrazy

· #27 · Nov 29, 2009

Marian said:
If someone mixed a spoo and a Yorkie, they could call it a Sporky. Just sayin'. :doh:

LOL!! My family loves SPORKS (the cross between a spoon and a fork!) I bought my daughter and my husband each one for Christmas last year - they made great stocking stuffers!

There was actually a cross-breed dog on our local online classifieds - it was a cross between a French Bulldog and a Shihtzu and you know what they call THAT cross!!!!

Olie

· #28 · Nov 29, 2009

plumcrazy said:
LOL!! My family loves SPORKS (the cross between a spoon and a fork!) I bought my daughter and my husband each one for Christmas last year - they made great stocking stuffers!

There was actually a cross-breed dog on our local online classifieds - it was a cross between a French Bulldog and a Shihtzu and you know what they call THAT cross!!!!

Well put! LMAO!!

ArreauStandardPoodle

· #29 · Nov 29, 2009

wishpoo said:
Just "fantastic" - exactly what we need - promotion of mass production of mutts that end up in the shelters :fish:

Maybe we should write a petition to Animal Planet - just completely irresponsible to do something like that :smow:

Animal Planet has been very irresponsible this past year. They were announcing they were airing a Breeder of The Pack episode about a Spoo breeder here in Ontario who does not impress me at all! I wrote and told them I would boycott their channel if it went to air, because there and many, many breeders they should have focused on, because they have more knowledge, breed nicer dogs, do testing, etc. etc. I suggested a few (and I specifically told them I was not implying they do a show on me, because I am way too small scale). When they got back to me, they said they were sticking with their original plan because someone that works for Animal Planet bought a pup from these people and they so LOVE the annual Poodle Party these guys throw. Imagine choosing a breeder to showcase based on an annual puppy party? So, I have boycotted. I will continue to write them periodically reminding them of why but until they show responsibility in their programming and who they promote I will not watch their programming again. If you are upset about what you saw on the Doodle breeding, PLEASE write the Animal Planet and tell them.

NO!!!! I would never buy a puppy from a person who breeds Doodles or any mixed breed. So many of their puppies end up in shelters because so many of them end up too be shedders, when the buyers are told these dogs will not shed. Then their child with asthma who the pup was bought for in the first place starts reacting and the dog needs to be dealt with quickly, so quick fix....put the puppy in a shelter.

I do not know about the US, but in Canada if a breeder of purebreds is caught breeding/selling mixed breeds, they lose their membership the the CKC. They will still be allowed to register their purebreds (which I think is ridiculous) but do not get the member discount and have to pay full price.

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roxy25

· #30 · Nov 29, 2009

I pretty much agree with everyone I would never buy from a breeder who also breeds mutts. IMO anyone breeding mutts is in it of the $$ so its mostly they are not even breeding the poodles they do have the right way anyways.

SECRETO

· #31 · Nov 29, 2009

It was the program Dogs 101 that had the "designer dog" episode. I was completely irritated the whole time they glorified the labradoodle and puggle....then I turned it off. Its was the stupidist thing I have ever watched.

They kept mentioning how they crossed the lab and poodle to make wonderful therapy dogs and family pets. I just wanted to slap some sense into the people talking on that program. You dont need to add a lab or golden to a poodle to make a great dog. The poodle already has all these traits ....idiots!

If you cant tell Im still irritated with Animal Planet about this. I went on to something more positive that Animal Planet has on now....Pit bulls and parolees. Those dogs needed a program and what a great way to rehabilitate parolees and pit bulls.

roxy25

· #32 · Nov 29, 2009

SECRETO said:
It was the program Dogs 101 that had the "designer dog" episode. I was completely irritated the whole time they glorified the labradoodle and puggle....then I turned it off. Its was the stupidist thing I have ever watched.

They kept mentioning how they crossed the lab and poodle to make wonderful therapy dogs and family pets. I just wanted to slap some sense into the people talking on that program. You dont need to add a lab or golden to a poodle to make a great dog. The poodle already has all these traits ....idiots!

If you cant tell Im still irritated with Animal Planet about this. I went on to something more positive that Animal Planet has on now....Pit bulls and parolees. Those dogs needed a program and what a great way to rehabilitate parolees and pit bulls.

I knew the ep was airing and not bother to not even watch it I think we need to write some letters to Animal Planet ! who would we contact ?

Fluffyspoos

· #33 · Nov 29, 2009

I wouldn't buy from a breeder that produces both, nor would I want a stud that offers to breed to both. I was looking at the local classifieds and there was a standard stud who was advertising to make your perfect 'standard poodle, labradoodle, goldendoodle, springerdoodle or 'any other poodle hybrid.'"

They should've just said 'We'll breed to anything with four legs and a heat cycle.'

Marian

· #34 · Nov 29, 2009

I love Pitbulls and Parolees. As an interesting coincidence, I was just beginning to look into getting Teddy trained and certified as a therapy dog when lo and behold, what was the new episode of P&P about?? Making a therapy team out of a pitbull and a parolee!

Getting back to poodles though, I think we have to face one fact: the average Joe is afraid of a dog that might actually be smarter than he is. That's why Goldens and Labs are so popular. :curl-lip:

cbrand

· #35 · Nov 29, 2009

I expect my breeder to be heavily involved in the fancy and no one who really loved Poodles would want to throw Goldens or Labs into the mix.

For the last 5 years, I have lurked on various Doodle breeder forums to keep abreast of the Designer Dog fad. I have yet to see a Doodle breeder who really knew anything about Poodles. They may use them in their breeding programs, but they don't know about correct temperament, structure and they are completely in the dark about health issues.

jak

· #36 · Nov 29, 2009

Marian said:
Getting back to poodles though, I think we have to face one fact: the average Joe is afraid of a dog that might actually be smarter than he is. That's why Goldens and Labs are so popular. :curl-lip:

LOL! So true!

It's like over here, the Newspapers are written at the literacy level of a 12 year old so everyone can understand it lol:doh:

Keithsomething

Discussion Starter · #37 · Nov 29, 2009

Cbrand thats what I was thinking of this particular breeder ((which is why I made this thread xDD))
price doesn't matter to me, but shes selling her doodles, and her standards with a $100 difference...thats absurd to me

and from being on this forum for the short period of time I have been...I've grown to detest breeders that breed these mixes =\

from what I've learned you should only breed a dog 2 maybe 3 times before retiring it from your breeding program...but I can't imagine these people stopping with only 2or3 litters

Marian: I like that show too xDD
my friend loves Pitties and has tried contacting that woman about adopting one of hers xDD

Marian

· #38 · Nov 29, 2009

jak said:
LOL! So true!

It's like over here, the Newspapers are written at the literacy level of a 12 year old so everyone can understand it lol:doh:

That used to be true here too, but now they are written at the level of an 8 year old.

hwell:

Marian

· #39 · Nov 29, 2009

Keithsomething said:
Marian: I like that show too xDD
my friend loves Pitties and has tried contacting that woman about adopting one of hers xDD

What happened? You say "has tried" like she didn't succeed.

Keithsomething

Discussion Starter · #40 · Nov 29, 2009

the last time I spoke to my friend ((a few weeks ago)) she hadn't been able to get in contact with anyone
...now I dunno how hard shes tried either
so it might not actually be TOO difficult to contact them xDD

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