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I don't like to use chemicals or drugs, although I know sometimes they are very necessary. I always try to seek out natural alternatives. I would like to have a holistic vet but there aren't any good ones in my area. It seems like a lot of these types of vets are in it more for the money than anything else. They will charge exorbitant sums for phone consultations but provide very little useful information. I have tried a coupld of these in the past.
I do think a good holistic vet could be very helpful. There are a lot of pet medications, like human meds, that have horrible side effects, sometimes long term. A lot of breeders are advocating fewer vaccinations. My brother owns purebred cats and I was reading about distemper vaccines causing kidney disease. If I get a dog, I'd like to have a holistic vet, even if I use him/her in conjunction with a traditional vet.
Do any of you use an alternative care type vet or use homeopathic products/remedies?
 

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Where do you live? I've just visited a holistic vet to meet him and discuss a couple of things. I think it can work well using the two together. My dog has had some issues which were not helped with conventional treatment such as steroids.

However with vaccinations even standard vets are now often open to the idea of a test (titre) to see if your dog really needs vaccinating. I took my oldest in yesterday who was due for her 12 month booster. She is going well at the moment so I don't want to give her anything that is not necessary. The vet said they are happy as its interesting for them to know how the vaccines are going by doing a titre.
 

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I am always intrigued by the idea of "natural" rather than "chemical" - it implies that everything that grows out of the ground or falls from the sky is safe and pure and healthy (and somehow not made of chemicals), while anything that has been manufactured is not, ignoring all the evidence to the contrary. I could name you dozens of potentially lethal herbs - many of them traditionally used as medications, and frankly prefer to put my faith in drugs that have been researched, refined, tested, and proven to be both safe and efficacious.

I do think there is value in genuinely holistic care - considering diet, exercise, living conditions, etc, etc as well as the presenting symptoms - but not at the expense of basic care. By all means titre test once the first course of vaccinations is complete, but don't put your puppy's life at very serious risk by not vaccinating at all (and there is no sound evidence that the homeopathic alternatives have any effect).

I am not a complete sceptic about complementary therapies. I do use one herbal ointment (HyperCal) after long experience of its effectiveness (although as the ointment is much more effective than the cream I suspect that the lanolin base plays a large part!). Before using it on my animals I asked a vet to check that it was safe, as many human preparations are toxic for cats especially. I also use Plaque-Off powder, although I am not entirely convinced that it works. And I make Sophy an appointment with her osteopath the moment her back begins to trouble her, because I know his treatment is painless and effective for her. But I find it is a good idea to dig very deeply into research findings around issues like vaccination and homeopathy - there is a lot of unsubstantiated woo out there, and a lot of anecdote posing as data. And remember, anything that has an effect has the potential to have side effects - even water can be fatal in excessive quantities.
 

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I am always intrigued by the idea of "natural" rather than "chemical" - it implies that everything that grows out of the ground or falls from the sky is safe and pure and healthy (and somehow not made of chemicals), while anything that has been manufactured is not, ignoring all the evidence to the contrary. I could name you dozens of potentially lethal herbs - many of them traditionally used as medications, and frankly prefer to put my faith in drugs that have been researched, refined, tested, and proven to be both safe and efficacious.

I do think there is value in genuinely holistic care - considering diet, exercise, living conditions, etc, etc as well as the presenting symptoms - but not at the expense of basic care. By all means titre test once the first course of vaccinations is complete, but don't put your puppy's life at very serious risk by not vaccinating at all (and there is no sound evidence that the homeopathic alternatives have any effect).

I am not a complete sceptic about complementary therapies. I do use one herbal ointment (HyperCal) after long experience of its effectiveness (although as the ointment is much more effective than the cream I suspect that the lanolin base plays a large part!). Before using it on my animals I asked a vet to check that it was safe, as many human preparations are toxic for cats especially. I also use Plaque-Off powder, although I am not entirely convinced that it works. And I make Sophy an appointment with her osteopath the moment her back begins to trouble her, because I know his treatment is painless and effective for her. But I find it is a good idea to dig very deeply into research findings around issues like vaccination and homeopathy - there is a lot of unsubstantiated woo out there, and a lot of anecdote posing as data. And remember, anything that has an effect has the potential to have side effects - even water can be fatal in excessive quantities.
Please do not be rude. My dogs have had the full round of vaccinations as pups. However research now shows that many dogs have immunity from 7 years to life so you don't have to keep having boosters unless your dogs antibodies are down. So its an expensive test but I'd prefer to see if the dog needs the vaccination or not. And my traditional vet is quite in agreement. This is not a 'alternative' idea but quite mainstream. Please do a little reading on the latest research on subject before attacking. My vet is actually really interested to do titre tests so they can see how effective the vaccination program is.

Also neither of the two of us here said anything about 'herbs'. And we also both mentioned using traditional vets but maybe using holistic in conjunction at times.
 

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I am sorry if you read my post as rude, Tamika. That was not my intention, and I certainly was not denigrating titre testing. My response was to the OP's question about homeopathic and other alternative approaches to medicine, and comments about vaccination, and was not a dig at your very sensible approach to vaccination.
 

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I changed vets this past year. My new vet had never had a client who shows or has performance dogs, but she is quite open to discussing vaccine protocols and medications. Her entire demeanor toward me has changed this past year because she is quite interested in how people who show and breed responsibly have researched health topics.
 

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I am sorry if you read my post as rude, Tamika. That was not my intention, and I certainly was not denigrating titre testing. My response was to the OP's question about homeopathic and other alternative approaches to medicine, and comments about vaccination, and was not a dig at your very sensible approach to vaccination.
My apologies fjm for any misunderstanding. I too do acknowledge that herbs should not be considered as harmless.

I also remember now that you did a great post on home prepared food which I commented on as I found I was feeding the same as you, and you had done so much research and provided links.

I like to think a holistic approach is about looking for causes rather than treating symptoms. The fully qualified vet I recently went to meet is holistic in his approaches as well as using traditional treatments and was highly recommended by a registered breeder. I have not used him for anything yet other than an introductory consult as I wanted to meet him, ask lots of questions to decide if I might use him in the future, especially if my oldest dog has skin problems again as I've already spent a fortune on traditional treatments and even a fly in skin specialist.

On a personal note I once had a bad skin problem and dr's just gave me the usual cortisone cream and antibiotics and it got worse. I went to see another qualified dr who was holistic and looked for the cause. He did blood tests and said I was Omega 3 deficient. I took fish oil and recovery was almost instant.

I think the important thing as pet parents is that we do our own research and educate ourselves so we can communicate well with our vets and understand all the implications of any treatments that are recommended for our pets.
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Most prescription pharmaceuticals of long history of use are derived from nature (not so much fo some modern things like "biologicals" such as humira or others). By the same token "nature" is full of poisons. Being informed and balancing different modalities seems the safer and more logical course to pursue for one's own health as well as that of our animal companions. Being able to do so required careful research and not succumbing to .com site offers of miraculous outcomes.
 

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I would love to have both a holistic vet and a chiropractor that treats dogs anywhere near me. For myself I use a combination of modern western and holistic and chiropractic. It would be wonderful to be able to do the same for my Spoo.

After my Spoo almost died on kibble, my local vet finally supported feeding raw, after he developed seizures from Frontline, they no longer required I use it, and I have finally convinced them to let me use titer testing. I get tired of having to educate my vet, and would love to have someone better educated to consult with.
 

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The results came back for my 18mth old dogs blood titre. She was due for her 'booster' shot for distemper, parvovirus and adenovirus. She has plenty of antibodies for all of them and no need for an unnecessary vaccination. This was with my traditional vet and she acknowledged they last from 7 years to life. Really nice to have a vet who is up to date and onboard with this. She still would like me to have a test done every year however.
 

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I would love to have both a holistic vet and a chiropractor that treats dogs anywhere near me. For myself I use a combination of modern western and holistic and chiropractic. It would be wonderful to be able to do the same for my Spoo.

After my Spoo almost died on kibble, my local vet finally supported feeding raw, after he developed seizures from Frontline, they no longer required I use it, and I have finally convinced them to let me use titer testing. I get tired of having to educate my vet, and would love to have someone better educated to consult with.

Kontiki I am not trying to criticize you, but the wording of the phrase I bolded highlighted something important and that I think I've articulated a number of times on PF, but that I think is worth repeating for anyone who runs across this. There is no requirement for anyone to do anything other than to immunize against rabies. Everything else should be based on recommendations of a knowledgeable professional and an educated acceptance or rejection of that recommendation by an informed consumer. The same applies to our own care as well as that of our companion animals. Too many people go to the doctor or to a vet without any knowledge of or critical thinking based ability to ask good questions coupled to the view that the professional will always know what is best.
 

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It's terrible to think that a vet would coerce an owner into giving vaccinations and meds without letting the owner make the decision. I have had one vet argue with me about it and that was the last time I went to him. Our current veterinary practice is very respectful and never pushes anything on us, nor do they question my decision to titer. Based on Dr. Dodd's current findings, none of our dogs will ever need parvo/distemper again. So, we just do rabies as required by law, and the vets have been working with me to find flea meds that even our sensitive dogs can tolerate.
 

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I didn't necessarily read that as the vet required Frontline, but the wording struck me as important because I think sometimes people do think they are required to do things recommended to them by professionals. I thought it was a good opportunity to reaffirm that there are choices and to make good ones is based on a balance of recommendations by professionals coupled with research by consumers.
 
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