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Do groomers really need to completely fluff a Poodle’s topknot even if they are not cutting it? I’m letting Zekefur’s hair grow out on his ears and his head, and it’s just starting to lay over by itself. (A little). I didn’t specify to the groomer how I really wanted it, just told him I am letting it grow. So that part is my fault. But next time can I ask to not have it fluffed?

Also I think he left too bushy of a moustache. I tried to show him but I wanted, but maybe he forgot exactly what I showed him. But not really worried about that. I can wait until next time to have it reduced.






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If you're nearby and it's not inconvenient to you, I'd take him back for the groomer to tidy up the face trim. With clippers you/I could actually do it yourself in 5 minutes or less, that is, unless you specifically want a mustache. I'd probably mess that up. :)


I DO want the moustache. I just wanted it not quite so bushy. I still think he looks cute though. It’s ok to wait until next time to do it differently. But yes, if I had clippers I could do it myself.

Hmmm, I do have WAHL people’s hair clippers. I imagine that would work for just the moustache?


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I would expect a groomer to comb out the coat completely. If you don't comb it out, it will mat.


I expect the combing, but can’t they do it when the hair is still damp so it doesn’t get so straight? I’m sorry if I seem naive about this but I’ve never let his top knot grow out before. I’m learning as I go.


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I would have expected them to have blown dry the top knot which would leave it looking exactly as it does in your photo. As it gets longer it will start to flop over on its own and will need banding to keep it out of his eyes. There’s an awkward stage where it’s getting too long but not quite long enough to band easily. When that happens you can make little horns banding where you can to hold the hair back.

I used human clippers on my tpoo for 20 years, no problem on Zeke’s face. I can’t use them on my current minipoo body because her hair is to thick and wiry.
 
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I would have expected them to have blown dry the top knot which would leave it looking exactly as it does in your photo. As it gets longer it will start to flop over on its own and will need banding to keep it out of his eyes. There’s an awkward stage where it’s getting too long but not quite long enough to band easily. When that happens you can make little horns banding where you can to hold the hair back.

I used human clippers on my tpoo for 20 years, no problem on Zeke’s face. I can’t use them on my current minipoo body because her hair is to thick and wiry.


Skyar... Thank you so much. That explains everything I need to know. I never would have thought about doing little horns. I guess he’ll look pretty funny for a while lol. And I’ll have to try the clippers on him. I guess if I do it frequently enough then it should be pretty easy on the clippers.


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That is so adorable! I can't wait till his hair is long enough. I think the groomer messed up a bit and cut it shorter above his eyes. Oh well, maybe another couple of months in the growing out process.
 

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If you are going to want to grow the topknot out so you can eventually band the front you need to specify to the groomer what you are planning so they can work with you. No good groomer would leave hair hanging over the eyes when doing a normal topknot. Also, part of grooming is blowing out the coat after the bath. That must be done to keep the coat from curling and matting as it will eventually do if allowed to get wet and dry naturally over time. Also, there is also no way to do proper scissoring on coat that has not been blown dry and straight.
 

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I think the groomer messed up a bit and cut it shorter above his eyes.
When I do a pet topknot (as opposed to the long hair for show dogs), I comb the hair forward and, holding the scissors perpendicular to the bridge of the nose, scissor it off. This keeps hair out of the eyes, so this is the way most groomers scissor a topknot.

I have to bathe and groom Zoe today, so I'll try to get some pictures of her pet clip.
 

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I did tell the groomer I was letting it grow. Upon further inspection I now see it is just the hair over his eyes that he shortened so I think all is good. But yes, I would love to see pictures!
 

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The hair is always going to end up straight and fluffed from the drying and brushing process. The only way it wouldn't is if they let him air or kennel dry completely before brushing, and even then, a thorough brush out will fluff the coat regardless! If you like the curly look, you can ask the groomer to spritz him with water after the groom to get the curls back, or you can do that yourself when you get him home. Some groomers I know hate doing that, but I've never had a problem with curling a client's coat back up after a groom.

For his topknot, make sure you specify that you plan to band it, not just grow it longer, if that's your goal. A normal pet topknot is trimmed in front to keep it out of the eyes. Unless you ask otherwise, no groomer is going to leave hair in the eyes. I would be very specific about your wants. Us groomers want to make you happy but we are not mind readers! Bring pictures if you can and specify what you want cut or left alone.

He sure is a cutie :)

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Not all dogs look good with a mustache. But it also looks like this groomer doesn’t do them well. (I’m not a fan of any type of facial hair). But it could be his muzzle. I feel a good mustache needs a long thick muzzle.

Something else you might try is just the beard, no mustache. Sometimes that helps it not looks so messy. (Check our Sugarfoot. He has a stellar beard.)

As others have said, ideally the groomer needs the fur straight and dry to get a good groom even with clippers. When the coat is curly it doesn’t cut even and it’s harder to pass the clippers over it. It makes it harder on the groomer and there by, harder on the dog. Straight and dry also mats slower and needs less brushing. And it’s easier to brush.

I don’t scissor mine. I like a rough look. If I take them to a groomer I’d tell them not to scissor them or to leave them rough. But I also leave Hazel’s bands in so they can see that she wears bands (also, she can’t see with her hair down.

I’ll start Pepper in bands as soon as she’s old enough. And I’ll use 2 until she grows out enough for 1.




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I think Zeke is really cute in a moustache. It was just left too full by leaving it too far from the front, so I’m going to leave it I think through his next groom and see how it looks in the way I want it. Everybody else that have seen it also thinks it’s cute. It’ll be nice to go to a groomer that can do what I ask as long as I am specific.

The grommet I used this last time was terrible! After I started this thread I did a super thorough check on Zeke. I had noticed a small patch of razor burn on his chest, but on further examination found 4 (FOUR) cuts on him! They were all hiding under his ears which is why I didn’t see them immediately. I was fully refunded for the cut. Oh, on was large, over 1/2” in diameter and I wasn’t even told about them.
 
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