Well The thing is most breeders who have red standard breeders are just breeding for $$$ they are scamming people who have not done the research. They are not testing for the Fade gene so its a gamble , the pups can come out whatever way. They also do not have proven stock.
With the chocolates its the same They fade but there are more chocolate breeders with dogs that do not carry the fading gene.
Susan has a program she is working on with a few other breeders have you seen hogan ?
if not here he is , susan will be using him in her program.
here is some deep red standard poodles I am not sure if they really are this red still but I might drive to her kennel to see them with my own eyes
She has no problem for visitors coming to see her dogs she actually prefers it so it will be interesting if they really are that red cause i love how his coat looks.
Bijou kennels state they dont fade either and she is part of the ARPC
http://www.bijoupoodles.com/
http://www.apricotredpoodleclub.com/
Terry from farley D poodles has some reds that stay We have personally talked to him over the phone about his dogs. My sister calls him weekly he is our mentor along with susan.
Dona on his website is 13 years old and is still that color.
http://www.farleysd.com/dona.htm