Good to see you here PP.Well from what I have seen/read is:
All colors will "fade" to some degree.
No matter the color you are looking for if you want it to stay as dark as possible look for a dog will little to no blue or silver in the background.
One way to tell if the pup will be silver is that they will have white in between the pads of their feet.
I have noticed that Cafe Au Lait and Silver Beige can be interchangeable terms for a fading brown.
Its almost impossible to tell what color the puppy will be just buy looking at under 8 weeks of age, it gets better at around 12 to 14 weeks.
Here is another link about poodle colors.
http://homepage.usask.ca/~schmutz/poodle.html
Well there are only two ways you can know your dogs wont fade. 1) The breeder researched the line they wanted to work with and insured that the dogs they got did not have the the fading gene. 2) you test for the fading gene and breed by the test results.I'm looking to research colors some of the specific on coat color in poo's and am wondering if any of you have any good places to start. Specificly I want to know more about colors that fade, like the different variations between chocolate and cafe-au-lait, and Blue and Silver. I was surfing the web tonight blindly, just killing time, and ran across a breeder advertising Brown spoo puppies for sale. Her big sales picth was "won't fade". My question is how do you know? How can I look at a puppy without knowing it's genetic background and know what color it's planning on being? Is that even possible in poodles? I can look at a tibbie and tell you what color that puppy will be without question. But tibbies don't fade and change the same way poo's do. Do you just roll the dice so to speak in those cases. I'm obviously excluding the fact that the breeder would pressumably know what color mom and dad as well as there parents were and would know at least a little bit about the genetic involved with the colors. I want to know how (or IF) I can know what I'm looking at.
Hubby saw a picture of a red poodle the other day and is now leaning heavily on me to avoid getting another cream or white colored dog. He wants Silver/Blue, Chocolate, Red, or Black. I want to understand what that cute little *insert color here* puppy will look like when it's all grown up. I guess I'm a bad person but I am soo visual that I aside from health and temperment, color is very important to me.
Well The thing is most breeders who have red standard breeders are just breeding for $$$ they are scamming people who have not done the research. They are not testing for the Fade gene so its a gamble , the pups can come out whatever way. They also do not have proven stock.Maybe this is a goofy question buuuutttt, is there a norm as far as fading goes? I am getting the impression that it is difficult to find reds that keep their colors, most of them fade to dark apricot? Is the same true for chocolate, do most of them fade or is the cafe' a newer thing that is being intro'ed and marketed by some breeders as a "rare color"
I sure wish Jazz would "fade" to white LoL, I wouldn't trade her for the world though![]()
Well The thing is most breeders who have red standard breeders are just breeding for $$$ they are scamming people who have not done the research. They are not testing for the Fade gene so its a gamble , the pups can come out whatever way. They also do not have proven stock.
With the chocolates its the same They fade but there are more chocolate breeders with dogs that do not carry the fading gene.
Susan has a program she is working on with a few other breeders have you seen hogan ?
if not here he is , susan will be using him in her program.
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here is some deep red standard poodles I am not sure if they really are this red still but I might drive to her kennel to see them with my own eyes
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She has no problem for visitors coming to see her dogs she actually prefers it so it will be interesting if they really are that red cause i love how his coat looks.
Bijou kennels state they dont fade either and she is part of the ARPC
http://www.bijoupoodles.com/
http://www.apricotredpoodleclub.com/
Terry from farley D poodles has some reds that stay We have personally talked to him over the phone about his dogs. My sister calls him weekly he is our mentor along with susan.
Dona on his website is 13 years old and is still that color.
http://www.farleysd.com/dona.htm
I have yet to call Carolyn yet I been busy getting my classes straight lol. Maybe this weeks since I am settling down and have my schedule organized.Just for the record there is not a chocolate color. Its just brown. Im not at all trying to be rude its just a pet peeve of mine. lol
Roxy25, what became of the breeder Susan recommended a few weeks ago? I think she was going to have a litter soon or something. Were you able to get in touch?
Also...are you considering buying a puppy from the dog in the last two pics? I know the color is what you want but that dog is certainly just a pet. I know you've been wanting a show potential.
that first dog is the most beautiful red I have ever seen!Well The thing is most breeders who have red standard breeders are just breeding for $$$ they are scamming people who have not done the research. They are not testing for the Fade gene so its a gamble , the pups can come out whatever way. They also do not have proven stock.
With the chocolates its the same They fade but there are more chocolate breeders with dogs that do not carry the fading gene.
Susan has a program she is working on with a few other breeders have you seen hogan ?
if not here he is , susan will be using him in her program.
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here is some deep red standard poodles I am not sure if they really are this red still but I might drive to her kennel to see them with my own eyes
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She has no problem for visitors coming to see her dogs she actually prefers it so it will be interesting if they really are that red cause i love how his coat looks.
Bijou kennels state they dont fade either and she is part of the ARPC
http://www.bijoupoodles.com/
http://www.apricotredpoodleclub.com/
Terry from farley D poodles has some reds that stay We have personally talked to him over the phone about his dogs. My sister calls him weekly he is our mentor along with susan.
Dona on his website is 13 years old and is still that color.
http://www.farleysd.com/dona.htm
Yeah because he is pet quality lol Jenn and I mentioned that in our post. I just posted pictures because his coat is super rich in color :tongue:Hogan is gorgeous, but the dog in the last pic looks funny to me. His coloring and coat are pretty, but he look very unproportionate(and I dont know much about the breed standard). Correct me if I am wrong here!!