I air dry my Asta because I like the curly coat. and think of poodles in history when there were no dryers. Never once have I had an issue of skin problems.
If they have thick hair, many of them literally get cold until their hair is dry, unless in a hot climate. I used to have really thick hair myself and can relate!Misha is so used to being blow dried that he detests air drying. He just curls up and shivers for hours and cries pitiful whines. He tries to jump up on his drying platform and gives me meaningful stares.
Yep! My hair will literally stay damp underneath for hours.If they have thick hair, many of them literally get cold until their hair is dry, unless in a hot climate. I used to have really thick hair myself and can relate!
Yeah, it's the mats/health or comfort-related issues I'm wondering about specifically. That makes sense that poodle owners would have had staff that could assist.I've seen some photos of poodles from the late 1800's and early 1900's. Quite a few look rather bedraggled compared to a modern dog.
Additionally, poodles, as waterfowl dogs, probably would have been owned by relatively affluent households. Their owners had the leisure to go hunting and the disposable income to purchase firearms and ammunition. Most middle class and all upper class families had servants back in the day. It's a lot easier to ensure a dog gets its daily brushing if you can delegate the work to a maid or a stableboy.
My big guys were like giant soggy ambulatory loofah sponges if I didn't blow them dry. Even after wiping them off with three beach towels apiece they would still leave a trail of dampness through the house. Additionally, they tended to develop mats if I just let them air dry. Simply combing them out once wasn't enough; the damp hair would coil back into a knot. I needed to keep combing, and neither they nor I had that kind of patience. In summer, when they were trimmed short, I could wash them and toss them out into the yard to run themselves dry in the sun. Not so much in winter.
Thanks for the tip! I'm so excited to get my hands on that book.PTP - I saw in another thread you mentioned borrowing Kalstone's poodle grooming book? When you get it, be sure to check out the historical section. It has a great description of poodles in London going to special poodle barbers to have the family crest shaved on their back. Talk about skill.
I have a pet theory that the modern poodle has avoided some of the weirdness in other breeds (think German shepherd back legs and CKC spaniel heads and many breeds with squished faces) due to breeders going nuts on the coat instead. Old pictures seem to show poodles with much less full coats than modern poodles. I joke somewhat seriously that poodles were bred for thicker and thicker hair that can rise to ever more elaborate versions of the Continental, with ever longer neck hair, instead of for weird body shapes. I imagine less thick/dense coats would have been faster to dry and a bit less mat-prone.
An interesting quote from the Spanish Waterdog club site:Yeah, it's the mats/health or comfort-related issues I'm wondering about specifically. That makes sense that poodle owners would have had staff that could assist.
It's an interesting topic.
Poodle coats couldn't be more different than say, a Labrador's, and yet both are bred for water. I wonder why the distinct textures. I need a good historical resource to satisfy my curiosity!
I've seen no evidence, but I wonder if some poodle owners dealt with their poodles the same wayThe Spanish Water Dog generally requires little grooming. The coat should never be brushed or combed. At least once a year, the coat must be evenly sheared from the entire body, very similar to shearing a sheep – twice per year is not uncommon. During the phase in which the Spanish Water Dog’s coat begins to cord, more work is required to assist proper cording and to prevent the cords from matting near the skin.
Yes the lagotto has a coat that is groomed the same way. I do not think poodle coats fair as well without grooming. There are probably slight differences. But maybe those have been bred in after they were kept for pet and show.An interesting quote from the Spanish Waterdog club site:
I've seen no evidence, but I wonder if some poodle owners dealt with their poodles the same way
I think this is a very sensible cut. I have been doing a similar cut during the rainy season because it's just constant mud pits here.I keep my Spoo in a 5 in winter or a 7 the rest of the year, with face, feet, and fanny in a 10 or less. He has a very thick coat and does not like long hair at all! He refuses to wear a human made coat even at 0 F, and loves to run in the snow and cold. He is 11 years old and has always been like this. Even in winter inside he will lay on a hardwood floor and pant if his hair is longer. And we live in the UP of Michigan. I do keep his topknot and tail poofy. This kind of cut requires much less grooming and brushing. I keep my place at 66F in the winter.
How much of a lot of grooming is what the poodle wants, and the vanity of the owner?
Interesting, I had not known of the Lagotto before. In the photos I have seen I am not sure how they can even see, maybe doing the truffle finding by scent?Yes the lagotto has a coat that is groomed the same way. I do not think poodle coats fair as well without grooming. There are probably slight differences. But maybe those have been bred in after they were kept for pet and show.
I love them. They're actually on my shortlist for our next dog. But they do look an awful lot like a poodle in need of a groom!Interesting, I had not known of the Lagotto before. In the photos I have seen I am not sure how they can even see, maybe doing the truffle finding by scent?