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No, liver (brown) dogs will always have liver pigment. How dark that pigment is depends on the parents.
I think the confusion lies in that what poodle breeders call "cream" most pet owners would call white. Creams are often born a milk color with darker, butter colored hair on ears and down the back and they fade to a lighter color that looks almost white.Wow! Do they really fade that much?! That seems a bit extreme, but I also heard it's not really unheard of in poodles. Aren't some whites born with apricot or cream in their ears that fades as they get older?
I'm still learning about all these genetics and fading things, it's all really interesting and this is the best place for ansers.
Thanks. She is 4-5 months in the photos.As far as Bella goes, I think she will be a Cafe and not a Silver-Beige. The Silver-Beiges I have seen are a redder color as puppies, they have lighter faces and they tend to clear their color more quickly. I don't know how old your girl is in your photos, but she is still pretty dark on her body and her face looks dusky rather than light.
Looking at your picture, I think your poodle actually has correct pigment but that it might have what we call a snow-nose. This is a nose that started out black when it was a puppy but by age 1 yr or so the nose lost its pigment. These noses typically darken a bit in the summer with sun exposure and lighten in the winter. Hence the name. Does your dog have black lips and eye rims?My white Spoo has a pink nose, and I was wondering why that was?
Her brother has black pigmentation and has been titled.
Her ancestors in the last 4 or 5 generations have all been white, and her brother has only been bred to blacks. Is it the blacks that give pigmentation? and the whites' fade over generations???
Interesting, our pup has all of these things but I guess only time will tell.Browns can be born with black points, but a true brown will only have dark amber eyes, dark liver nose, lips, eye rims and toenails.
I don't think black Standard Poodles are hard to sell. People who contact me are usually looking for black.Wow, that's a very interesting site, cbrand, thank's for linking that.
Are black standards harder to sell because they're more common? Or does it just go with the whole black pets in any form are harder to sell / adopt.
Sea kelp pills will help with the pigment on a dog. Ive personally gave them to our female Ch Amstaff that had a semi filled in black nose when we got her. (the rest was pink) Anyhow, it filled in completely with in 4-6 months of taking the pills and then we no longer had to color in her nose for shows. Yea!! Not to mention she looked so much prettier with a filled in nose.My white Spoo has a pink nose, and I was wondering why that was?
Her brother has black pigmentation and has been titled.
Her ancestors in the last 4 or 5 generations have all been white, and her brother has only been bred to blacks. Is it the blacks that give pigmentation? and the whites' fade over generations???
I love white/cream poodles. I think they are prettier then a black poodle (I own a black standard. lol) The hubby requested to please get a black Standard Poodle so I picked against a beautiful white male. Luckily we love our Eli and wouldnt trade him for anything. If there's a next time, I wont get another black over white or cream.I don't think black Standard Poodles are hard to sell. People who contact me are usually looking for black.
In Colorado, I often have a hard time convincing people to think about cream/white puppies. Buyers are always under the impression that light colored poodles somehow get dirty sooner (dogs get dirty at the same rate regardless of color) and lots of people are worried about tear staining because they have seen that on the Minis and Toys. I also think that it is a macho thing. A lot of men who are taking the 1st time poodle plunge think that a black dog is somehow butcher than a cream dog.
I like to encourage people to think about cream poodles:
They don't get as hot in the sun.
They are easier to see at night in the tent.
Children are more receptive to light colored dogs (therapy work).