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Hi, I would like some information on the brown color. I am considering a brown puppy. He is a rich chocolate, like milk chocolate color. His nose is also brown, although a little lighter than his fur. I haven’t seen pictures of his parents yet to see if they’ve lightened or faded. I of course would love him regardless of what color he turned out to be, but since I was taken with his specific color initially, I’m curious as to the likelihood he’d stay that color.
Does his brown nose make it more or less likely he’d keep the rich color (as opposed to a black nose?). The fact that it’s lighter a sign his hair will lighten?

Thanks in advance!
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It all depends on genetics or basically what the parents look like

This is my Cafe au lait Beatrice

17 1/2 weeks
Dog Mammal Vertebrate Dog breed Canidae

and last week age 5 years
Dog Mammal Vertebrate Canidae Bichon frisé


oh brown poodles will never have black pigment as in nose, lips.
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Jumping on since I was already wondering this: which colors always have a black nose? Does poodle nose color ever fade, or is it pretty constant (self nose at birth, self nose whole life)?
POODLE COAT COLORS: OVERVIEW OF ALL COLORS

This link has the best explanation
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This is a fabulous collection of information. Thanks for sharing!
Jumping on since I was already wondering this: which colors always have a black nose? Does poodle nose color ever fade, or is it pretty constant (self nose at birth, self nose whole life)?
Most white dogs' noses fade to a "snow nose." Even white show dogs have to have their noses colored black for the ring. This is even when they are born with a black nose, not incorrect pigment.

My silver has maintained a black nose. I believe all blacks hold their black nose.

Interesting question :)
All browns have brown noses (sometimes called liver).

Puppies that are born brown can clear to cafe au lait or to silver beige, or they can stay brown. The fading gene has not yet been identified. Ask the breeder what color the parents are. If one or both of the parents are silver beige or silver, then you can definitely plan on some fading. If parents are both brown or black, then you can be pretty sure that your puppy will be brown.

If you have the registered names of the parents, you can look them up here and get a color pedigree: poodledata.org

The MJ Rawlings article in March 2015 issue of the Poodle Club of Canada’s Poodle Scene has a very good summary of poodle color genetics. Article starts on page 14, so you need to scroll down.
http://www.poodleclubcanada.club/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/2015-PCC-News-2-Spring.pdf
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Jumping on since I was already wondering this: which colors always have a black nose? Does poodle nose color ever fade, or is it pretty constant (self nose at birth, self nose whole life)?
MF already answered some of your question but I will expound. Blacks (and blues and silvers) will always have a black nose. Browns (and cafe au lait and silver beige) will always have a brown nose. Poodles on the white/red color spectrum (white, cream, apricot, and red) can have either black or brown noses but liver noses are undesirable (and incorrect for white/cream.) Breeders can eliminate the possibility of breeding brown nosed white dogs by ensuring that brown and white (or dogs that carry brown and white) aren’t bred together. Seeing a white dog with a liver nose is almost a sure sign of a backyard breeder to me.

As MF already mentioned, white-red poodles can get snow nose, or have their black noses fade permanently. This has to do with pigment. The best indicator that I have seen for a puppy keeping their black nose is by how dark the pigment is when they are born. Some pups are born with pink noses that develop the black a few days later, and some are born with black noses - those ones usually tend to stay dark, though there are always exceptions to the rule. Something else I have observed is that males tend to hold their pigment better than females. My bitch has bad pigment and thus her nose has faded to brown on top - on the bottom it still looks black. But she has littermates with very dark black pigment year round. Most good breeders are breeding towards good pigment in whites, but there are so many other things they are breeding for as well, you just don’t know how the genetics will fall into place. Hope this helps to answer your question.
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Wow, this is an incredibly informative thread. I've been trying to figure out why I'm drawn to (and pushed from) certain colors for months. Why am I pulled to silvers but not silver beiges? Why blues but not browns, even dark ones? Why do I particularly dig black dogs? This answers it! I really like a black nose, for whatever reason (growing up with a Keeshond? who knows).

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There are sticky threads for the different poodle colors. Under Poodle Pictures you will see threads for each color. You can see tons of pics of all the different colors there, and lots of info about each.
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I just wanted to clarify, if it's okay to derail the thread a little - in the first article posted (this one), it mentions points. I would guess they're talking about noses based on context clues, but I thought since they were using specific terminology that maybe it's more than that?

Also, they talked about things being accepted and preferred, which I assumed was talking about conformation, but then they used the same terms throughout the description of partis. I was just confused because I thought only solids were accepted in conformation?
Iwaftsd, yes points means nose color but also refers to eye rims, paw pads, etc. Parti colors are allowed to show in UKC so they are probably referring to the UKC standard for them.
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