Breeding age

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cbrand

Discussion Starter · Sep 6, 2009

I thought this was an interesting topic that needed it's own thread.

I'm a great believer in waiting until Poodles are older before they are bred. Certainly it is important to wait until at least age two since hips can not be certified by OFA until then. I know some breeders love using Pennhip because they can have hips certified as early as age 16 weeks. However, I have seen Poodles hips change as they grow and mature and I have seen hips that pass at 6 months actually test as borderline dysplastic by age 2.

Another reason to wait is to see what happens to the overall health of a line. There are many, many things that we can't test for in Poodles and taking a wait and see approach is prudent. I have called just about all of my puppy buyers now, so I feel that I can make this public knowledge:

My foundation bitch, Sabrina, bloated two weeks ago. She gave us a scare, but she is fine. However, I have made the painful decision to spay her daughter, Izze. Bloat is genetic and I could not in good conscious breed Izze knowing that I might be passing the bloat problem down to another generation of dogs and owners. Now Sabrina was around 5.5 yrs old when Izze was born. Had I run out and bred Sabrina right when she was 2 and bred Izze right when she was 2, I would have three generations of dogs on the ground before I realized that I had a problem.

The only time I could justify breeding a Poodle early is if a breeder has an older bitch and she really, really wants to breed to a great stud who is young. The time could quickly run out for this pairing.

However, I have seen breeder use 8 mnth old studs and 14 mnth old bitches whose only redeeming qualities seem to be that they are intact. Blech!

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redvelvet

· #21 · Feb 26, 2010

The gene pool is a fraction. so if your not doing your homework poof the color is apricot
if you are looking for a color that isn't that common and you are holding it
then it's a lot more rare ....should it cost more ....maybe not but the back yard breeders are not holding color....if I could not get but $500.00 for the my reds I don't think it would be very smart to spend what I'm willing to spend for my friends comfort.I'm not going into the hole for others to be able to breed the hell out of one of my puppy's. so no full rights and a break even price.

redvelvet

· #22 · Feb 26, 2010

We, my wife and I started this for our self's. I wont live with out several poo's under foot. We are going to build a better RED poodle for our selves

bigredpoodle

· #23 · Feb 26, 2010

cbrand said:
What would be the purpose of a color grading system? Is a dark Red somehow more desirable than an Apricot? Is a dark Brown more desirable than a Cafe?

Yes I am afraid that they are more desirable... But you are comparing an apricot to a red there is no comparison .. A cafe to a brown no comparison..
If I were looking for either i would look to the parents and want one that is proven not to fade .. But then that is just me ...
Why would I want afaded brown or a faded red ?

Purple Poodle

· #24 · Feb 26, 2010

bigredpoodle said:
Yes I am afraid that they are more desirable... But you are comparing an apricot to a red there is no comparison .. A cafe to a brown no comparison..
If I were looking for either i would look to the parents and want one that is proven not to fade .. But then that is just me ...
Why would I want afaded brown or a faded red ?

A faded Brown is a Cafe and faded "Red" is an Apricot

They are the same color (brown/cafe or "red"/apricot) just in different shades/intensities.

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Olie

· #25 · Feb 26, 2010

redvelvet said:
We, my wife and I started this for our self's. I wont live with out several poo's under foot. We are going to build a better RED poodle for our selves

And how many spoos do you have?

roxy25

· #26 · Feb 26, 2010

redvelvet said:
We, my wife and I started this for our self's. I wont live with out several poo's under foot. We are going to build a better RED poodle for our selves

So you not brp Husband ?

I think I am confused what is your kennel name ?

Olie

· #27 · Feb 26, 2010

roxy25 said:
So you not brp Husband ?

I think I am confused what is your kennel name ?

Yes I am curious too.

Olie

· #28 · Feb 26, 2010

I smell something.......

roxy25

· #29 · Feb 26, 2010

Olie said:
Yes I am curious too.

LOL Olie I am sorry I dont have time to look at everyone intro's So I am not sure who is who sometimes. I never saw a kennel namd with RV so I thought it was someones husband on here LOL

Sorry if I am wrong

Olie

· #30 · Feb 26, 2010

roxy25 said:
LOL Olie I am sorry I dont have time to look at everyone intro's So I am not sure who is who sometimes. I never saw a kennel namd with RV so I thought it was someones husband on here LOL

Sorry if I am wrong

Oh no I have my own thoughts on something else. I though RV just had Lucy only which is why I asked what I did.

roxy25

· #31 · Feb 26, 2010

Olie said:
Oh no I have my own thoughts on something else. I though RV just had Lucy only which is why I asked what I did.

O ok I am was just referencing the wife comment lol

redvelvet

· #32 · Feb 26, 2010

This is sounding a lot like a hen house...
shall WE all leave phone numbers?

plumcrazy

· #33 · Feb 26, 2010

701-391-7586

1314 N 18th Street
Bismarck, ND 58501

ArreauStandardPoodle

· #34 · Feb 26, 2010

If we are only going to breed for dark red spoos, and never try and improve their quality, and risk having the occaisional apricot litter for the sake of improving the conformation of our puppies, we ought to just pack it in. If the only thing that matters to a breeder is colour, they need to be rethinking things. The qaulity of mostg of the red sppos is not up to snuff, and it is up to us to try and fix that without being so fixated on what is the easiest sell.

I do not agree that a faded red is apricot. A faded red takes on rust tones and an apricot takes on yellow tones. A faded red is still a red. If you have a faded red and an apricot side by side, they do look resemble on another in colour. trillium had an apricot and his colour was not remotely like
Holly's and she is a faded red. That being said, how many of us know what other breeders reds really look like anyway? Half the breeders dye their dogs, or use colour enhancing shampoos, or enhance their photos.
My girl has the fading gene, obviously, and this was apparent when she was fourteen months old. I would still have bred her, and am glad I did because the puppies she produces do not fade like her and are deep, deep red. If I had waited until she was four, I still would have bred her and would still be glad I did because of what she produces-period.

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bigredpoodle

· #35 · Feb 26, 2010

So do other colors dye their dogs ? For the show ring from what I have heard they all dye their dogs what is the point that you are trying to make REALLY ? I have seen reds that have faded to brown paper bag color too ... Isnt this a breeding AGE thread ? I am confused...

bigredpoodle

· #36 · Feb 26, 2010

HA HA HA I hope that doesnt backfire on you ! Brave girl !

ArreauStandardPoodle

· #37 · Feb 26, 2010

redvelvet said:
This is sounding a lot like a hen house...
shall WE all leave phone numbers?

I am not accusing anyone of anything here, but do think it is ridiculous that people cannot be verified on this forum. There must be a way that the administrators can assure that people are indeed who they say they are. We have all watched one person in particular come on here under an assumed name, touting the other as the best breeder on earth. Most of us are aware that this party has been back on and banned under yet another assumed name more recently. So yes, this forum has become paranoid, and rightly so. 519-334-3916 if anyone wishes to know.

ArreauStandardPoodle

· #38 · Feb 26, 2010

bigredpoodle said:
So do other colors dye their dogs ? For the show ring from what I have heard they all dye their dogs what is the point that you are trying to make REALLY ? I have seen reds that have faded to brown paper bag color too ... Isnt this a breeding AGE thread ? I am confused...

Pardon me for having an opinion. I mentioned my girls age in my post. Another post mentioned reds.Would I haved opted to not breed her
if I had waited till she was four and she had faded? NO!!!! THAT WAS MY POINT? IS THIS OKAY WITH YOU???????????????????????????????????

ArreauStandardPoodle

· #39 · Feb 26, 2010

oooops...

plumcrazy

· #40 · Feb 26, 2010

bigredpoodle said:
HA HA HA I hope that doesnt backfire on you ! Brave girl !

How could it possibly backfire? I have nothing to hide and I don't believe I should be afraid of anyone on this forum. I love to talk about poodles so people can call me if they want to (that's my cell phone number btw) - I also welcome presents in the mail (or visitors!) and besides, my home address information is listed in the phonebook anyway so no worries!! Iyam who Iyam!!

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