Poodle Forum banner

1 - 20 of 51 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,545 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
Did someone recently bring home a pup from an awesome breeder in NJ? I think I remember reading it the other day, but I cannot remember who the breeder was. I'm asking for 1jurisdiva, who just had a terrible experience at a show looking for breeders.

Thanks!:)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,546 Posts
It's not New Jersey, but Connecticut is pretty close... this is one of the breeders I was looking at when I got Vinnie:

Songbird Poodles: HOME
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
8,040 Posts
I know of a GREAT breeder in Hackettstown, New Jersey: Cabryn Poodles, Carolyn O'Rourke, breeder. She has toys, minis and standards. My silver mini boy is from Cabryn and he's terrific in every way. The website is:

cabrynpoodles.com
Phone # 908-852-3299

Carolyn told me she's bringing some poodles to a customer over in Russia and she may be away now, but she is VERY good and prompt in responding to inquiries. And yes, another forum member, Eliza, recently got a 5 month old black male mini, Beau,from Cabryn.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,545 Posts
Discussion Starter #4
I know of a GREAT breeder in Hackettstown, New Jersey: Cabryn Poodles, Carolyn O'Rourke, breeder. She has toys, minis and standards. My silver mini boy is from Cabryn and he's terrific in every way. The website is:

cabrynpoodles.com
Phone # 908-852-3299

Carolyn told me she's bringing some poodles to a customer over in Russia and she may be away now, but she is VERY good and prompt in responding to inquiries. And yes, another forum member, Eliza, recently got a 5 month old black male mini, Beau,from Cabryn.
Thank you, this is it! I remember the thread from the other day...I will pass this along, and keep them in mind for myself, as well!:)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
319 Posts
Thank you Skye, AgilityIG, and Chagall's Mom!

The Songbird website has some amazing performance action shots, and Cabryn's poodles are so lovely (not to mention that I have always thought Chagall was a silver dream boy). I will definitely keep these at the top of my list.

Cindy
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,545 Posts
Discussion Starter #6
It's not New Jersey, but Connecticut is pretty close... this is one of the breeders I was looking at when I got Vinnie:

Songbird Poodles: HOME
Where did you get Vinnie? I was looking at a site with the Kleinpudels the other day. Is Vinnie your avatar?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,546 Posts
Where did you get Vinnie? I was looking at a site with the Kleinpudels the other day. Is Vinnie your avatar?
Yep - Vinnie is my avatar. He came from Karin Benker - Karbit Poodles - she is in Oregon (but will be moving to Nevada). I would not hesitate to get a dog from her again. I have seen/heard about many of her dogs and they are fantastic performance dogs and have wonderful temperaments. I live in Iowa and flew Vinnie to Chicago (direct flight) and then drove to Chicago to pick him up.

Karin's site: Karbit Poodles
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
558 Posts
I would like to add a word of caution to the glowing recommendations for Cabryn poodles. Unfortunately, I did not have the happy experience that some of you have had. I am strictly a pet owner--not a breeder myself. Nor am I a breeder basher.

This is what I experienced. In September of 2001, I had to say a last good-by to my 16-year-old mini poodle. In October of 2001 I contacted Cabryn about finding a new poodle. I wanted another mini, because that is what I had always had. Carolyn was quick to respond and invited me to see a 14-week-old black male that was ready to go. She also stated that she had a 4-week-old silver mini and a 4-week old black mini. I drove to Hackettstown to see the puppies. The older black male had just been groomed and fluffed. He was gorgeous. Unfortunately, he wanted nothing to do with me. I couldn't engage him in play. When I picked him up at Carolyn's suggestion, he tried to jump out of my arms. I put him down before he could hurt himself and moved on to look at the silver mini. He was so cute, and lovable, I thought he was worth the wait. There was no mention of health testing of parents, and I didn't question it as I had gotten my previous poodle 16 years before. Merlin, as I named him, was the only puppy in his litter. While I was there, I was also shown an apricot toy female who was probably going to be large. So there were puppies from at least four different litters there in the toy and mini size at that time. Again this was not a cause of alarm for me.

I picked up Merlin two weeks later, as it turned out that he was six weeks old, not four weeks. The only kind of health guarantee I got was, take the puppy to your vet in so many days and if there is any genetic fault your vet finds, you can bring him back. At first everything was fine. My vet pronounced him healthy. Merlin grew into a handsome dog--a good-looking poodle.

Unfortunately, there were other problems. I tried to get Merlin used to being brushed as a tiny pup. I set him on my lap and tried to take a few strokes with the brush. This bitty thing growled and bit at the brush. I thought maybe he was scared of it, so I put the brush on the floor to let him get used to it. He grabbed it by the handle and hauled it off. I tried treating while brushing. Eventually I could brush his head, his back and a little way down each leg, but never farther. When a bit of feces clung to his fur, there was no way he would let me trim it off. I devised a way, but he would bite seriously. Luckily he could not get to my hands. He fought every groomer I ever took him to and had to be muzzled to be groomed. I got my vet to prescribe tranquilizers, but that didn't work either. I was not a novice dog owner. I believe I was doing everything right. I took him to puppy kindergarten. I followed trainers suggestions. I do believe his temperament was part of his breeding.

When Merlin was just about a year old, he started coming up lame on walks. It was luxating patellas. I took him to a specialist and had surgery on both knees at a cost of over $2000. This is another genetic defect. He was a rotten patient during his recovery. I needed to carry him up and down stairs. I was as gentle as I could be, but he would fight me with teeth trying to do serious injury. Despite his many problems, I would never have given up on him.

At a little over three years of age Merlin developed immune mediated hemolytic anemia. In 48 hours he went from being healthy to a call from my vet saying he couldn't save him. I researched this disease and while there is no known cause, there are two suspect areas--over-vaccination and heredity.

I know there many Cabryn poodles that are champions. I hope all of you who have poodles from there, enjoy your dogs for many years. This is not a breeder I would ever recommend to a friend.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
319 Posts
Poodlelvr - I am so sorry to hear about your experience with Merlin, and thank you so much for sharing your story. It is definitely something to keep in mind.

Cindy
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,481 Posts
I know there many Cabryn poodles that are champions. I hope all of you who have poodles from there, enjoy your dogs for many years. This is not a breeder I would ever recommend to a friend.
So sorry this happened to Merlin and you.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,155 Posts
Just a heartbreaking story : (((.

Any new poodle puppy buyer should ask to see all health test results for all hereditary disorders in the breed.

If possible, buy from a breeder who does official temperament testing performed by experienced trainer or conduct your own test before you take the puppy home.

I know that one of our members had to travel all the way from NJ to CA to get a mini- puppy :rolffleyes:
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
8,040 Posts
Poodlelvr, I too am VERY sorry for the heart ache you experienced with your Merlin. How awful, and how terribly sad! I can well understand your feelings toward the breeder, given your experience. To date, I have been quite lucky with Chagall and I hope that will always be the case.

I am wondering what Carolyn said or did when you contacted her about the problems poor Merlin had? I hope the line he came from was re-checked and any problems which might have been identified were addressed.

My experience in meeting and getting my silver mini boy from Cabryn was very different. I got copies of the health test certs. and met the dame and maternal grandmother. I also had contact with eight other people with Cabryn poodles; two toys, three minis and three standards. Thankfully, they all had healthy poodles with nice temperaments. I've since met others and again, all seem to be well. I know that's cold comfort to you, however.

I wish you only good things with Beau and Belle and any other poodles that enters your life. You sure deserve it for being so wonderfully devoted to your Merlin. BTW, my first dog (not a poodle) also succumbed to acute immune mediated hemolytic anemia, at age 8. Even having taken her to The Animal Medical Center in NYC and having a team of five veterinary nephrologists trying everything possible, she just couldn't make it. In her case, I truly believe over vaccination was to blame. Regardless, it was shocking and awful and I know how devastated you must have been.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,545 Posts
Discussion Starter #13
I would like to add a word of caution to the glowing recommendations for Cabryn poodles. Unfortunately, I did not have the happy experience that some of you have had. I am strictly a pet owner--not a breeder myself. Nor am I a breeder basher.

This is what I experienced. In September of 2001, I had to say a last good-by to my 16-year-old mini poodle. In October of 2001 I contacted Cabryn about finding a new poodle. I wanted another mini, because that is what I had always had. Carolyn was quick to respond and invited me to see a 14-week-old black male that was ready to go. She also stated that she had a 4-week-old silver mini and a 4-week old black mini. I drove to Hackettstown to see the puppies. The older black male had just been groomed and fluffed. He was gorgeous. Unfortunately, he wanted nothing to do with me. I couldn't engage him in play. When I picked him up at Carolyn's suggestion, he tried to jump out of my arms. I put him down before he could hurt himself and moved on to look at the silver mini. He was so cute, and lovable, I thought he was worth the wait. There was no mention of health testing of parents, and I didn't question it as I had gotten my previous poodle 16 years before. Merlin, as I named him, was the only puppy in his litter. While I was there, I was also shown an apricot toy female who was probably going to be large. So there were puppies from at least four different litters there in the toy and mini size at that time. Again this was not a cause of alarm for me.

I picked up Merlin two weeks later, as it turned out that he was six weeks old, not four weeks. The only kind of health guarantee I got was, take the puppy to your vet in so many days and if there is any genetic fault your vet finds, you can bring him back. At first everything was fine. My vet pronounced him healthy. Merlin grew into a handsome dog--a good-looking poodle.

Unfortunately, there were other problems. I tried to get Merlin used to being brushed as a tiny pup. I set him on my lap and tried to take a few strokes with the brush. This bitty thing growled and bit at the brush. I thought maybe he was scared of it, so I put the brush on the floor to let him get used to it. He grabbed it by the handle and hauled it off. I tried treating while brushing. Eventually I could brush his head, his back and a little way down each leg, but never farther. When a bit of feces clung to his fur, there was no way he would let me trim it off. I devised a way, but he would bite seriously. Luckily he could not get to my hands. He fought every groomer I ever took him to and had to be muzzled to be groomed. I got my vet to prescribe tranquilizers, but that didn't work either. I was not a novice dog owner. I believe I was doing everything right. I took him to puppy kindergarten. I followed trainers suggestions. I do believe his temperament was part of his breeding.

When Merlin was just about a year old, he started coming up lame on walks. It was luxating patellas. I took him to a specialist and had surgery on both knees at a cost of over $2000. This is another genetic defect. He was a rotten patient during his recovery. I needed to carry him up and down stairs. I was as gentle as I could be, but he would fight me with teeth trying to do serious injury. Despite his many problems, I would never have given up on him.

At a little over three years of age Merlin developed immune mediated hemolytic anemia. In 48 hours he went from being healthy to a call from my vet saying he couldn't save him. I researched this disease and while there is no known cause, there are two suspect areas--over-vaccination and heredity.

I know there many Cabryn poodles that are champions. I hope all of you who have poodles from there, enjoy your dogs for many years. This is not a breeder I would ever recommend to a friend.
Thank you so much for taking the time to share this story. That is very important information! That is just heartbreaking.

We had a longhaired dachshund that we got as a pup, before we had children. Not knowing any better, I got her from a backyard breeder.

She just turned 8 years old, and she has had no major health problems or genetic defects. But, she was not well socialized with children. We got her at 9 weeks. I took her to obedience school, and had her "interact" with my nephew, and kids we would meet on walks. She has small dog syndrome bad with all the dogs in class. They were almost all lab or retriever pups. She even terrorized my husband's friend's bull mastiff pup!

She was pretty good after my daughter came along. But, once my son started walking last year, she was showing signs of aggression.

She was a very good dog and well behaved in every other way. My sister-in-law loved her, and has no little ones. She adopted her from us, and it has been the perfect solution. We can still visit, she gets a lot of exercise, and believe it or not, she visits a nursing home every week with my sister-in-law and does tricks for the residents. They love her.

I really want a dog that my children can play with. When I was young, I was able to teach my poodle many tricks. I do not want to break their hearts with an ill-bred, unsocialized dog! So it is very important that I do plenty of research and training.

I have time to really research breeders. I want a healthy/health tested, well socialized pup (one that is especially good with kids, since I have two young ones) that I groom myself most of the time.

I don't mind traveling some distance to get the pup. I would rather go to see the pup with my family, so that I know how it interacts with us. I know that there are some experienced shippers out there, which I may be open to. My husband really does not like the idea of shipping a puppy that we have never seen. It seems really important to see the pup in person.

I will keep doing my research, and contacting breeders. Thank you, everyone for your contributions! It is very helpful!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
152 Posts
I'm sure you can find the right dog for you. As for tem. testing remember that all the socializing and training in the world can only modify what the pup is born with, it can't give the pup traits it doesn't have nor can it remove traits the pup is born with. It does help to follow your instincts about both the pup and the breeder.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,545 Posts
Discussion Starter #15
I'm sure you can find the right dog for you. As for tem. testing remember that all the socializing and training in the world can only modify what the pup is born with, it can't give the pup traits it doesn't have nor can it remove traits the pup is born with. It does help to follow your instincts about both the pup and the breeder.
Good advice. And, I realize that dachshunds are not the best choice for children. I saw (somewhere) a list where they rated a dog's kid-friendliness (is that a word? LOL) and on a scale of 1-10 a dachshund was a 4.:wacko:
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
379 Posts
I would like to add a word of caution to the glowing recommendations for Cabryn poodles. Unfortunately, I did not have the happy experience that some of you have had.
This is not a breeder I would ever recommend to a friend.
I wouldn't either !!!

Poodlelvr, I'm very sorry for the heartbreaking experience you had with your Merlin. Now I'm very thankful I didn't get my puppy from Carolyn.
When I was looking for the puppy last year, she was recommended to me. Since I don't live far I went to look at her puppies. First of all the amount of poodles in the back of her store shocked me, then her groomer brought down two weeks old puppy in his hands and wanted me to hold it !?!? I refused since it was so fragile looking and the possible germs. (By the way the sire was 9 months old male imported from Russia and very shy looking). She had few puppies running thru the store, I asked about one black male, she sad he is 4-5 months old. I was looking for younger puppy, but he was really cute. I asked if I can see the pedigree and health testing. Carolyn sad to stop by another day, she will write up something for me ?!?! I didn't go back.

Wishpoo I'm very happy I flew to California :)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
8,040 Posts
Wow, Evik! I'm dumbfounded to hear of your experience with Cabryn. I cannot imagine ANYONE handing off a two week old puppy to a stranger, with unwashed hands (not a comment on you, of course!). And I sure can see why you ran out and never went back. I honestly don't get why different potential poodle owners have such different experiences! I even brought our dog trainer to see the pup we wanted before committing to getting him. I really value the trainer's long experience and knowledge. I can only say I am so very glad you have your Monti to love and enjoy, he's adorable! This really makes me dizzy, and grateful that me and my Cabryn poodle owning friends are all blessed with wonderful poodles. I'm glad we have Poodle Forum as a place for us to exchange informtion and experiences!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
558 Posts
Thank you Evik for posting your observations also. I hesitated alot before I posted my observations. I was afraid others wouldn't understand, but this board has been very kind and accepting. Yes, there way too many poodles running around in back. I would guess 15-20 of every size and color nine years ago. I did not meet the mother. Carolyn gestured at a silver mini running with the pack and said that was Merlin's mother. I should have run also. I'm older and wiser now.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
319 Posts
Evik - thank you for telling us your story as well. While these stories are discouraging, and heartbreaking, I also think it is the kind of breeder information that is so necessary and helpful to those of us looking at purchasing a puppy. It is greatly appreciated.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,545 Posts
Discussion Starter #20
Evik - thank you for telling us your story as well. While these stories are discouraging, and heartbreaking, I also think it is the kind of breeder information that is so necessary and helpful to those of us looking at purchasing a puppy. It is greatly appreciated.
Exactly!
 
1 - 20 of 51 Posts
Top