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Is anyone familiar with Benson's Bluff Standard Poodles in Reedsburg, WI? They are on Facebook, but no website. I plan to call, but would love any personal knowledge.

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I don’t have any personal knowledge of the breeder, but looking them up, I do see a couple of potential flags. They don’t provide any info on conformation, although they seem to be more focused on therapy dog breeding if their good dog page is to be believed. There are few pictures on said page, although it seems their Facebook is updated at least somewhat regularly. In addition, I don’t see any take back guarantees mentioned anywhere, which could be a problem if you had to rehome your dog for any reason. It also doesn’t seem like they really do anything with their dogs at all, and are more than likely a hobby breeder, which is fine, and you would likely end up with a pretty good dog, but I wouldn’t expect them to be as much of a resource to you as somebody who is all in. It does seem like they do all the necessary health testing, however, which is good, and I don’t see any signs of them being a puppy mill or a typical BYB.
 

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I took a quick look through things. It looks like the sire used for their current litter was only 17 months old at the time of breeding. It says the dam has CHIC certification, but the sire doesn't which makes sense given his age. I can't find the official names for their dogs and Benson's Bluff doesn't return any results on OFA so I can't check it out. No indication of titles on the dogs. I'd say my first impression is that they're a mediocre breeder.
 

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Some positives...looks like the pups are well socialized with children and other animals. It looks like they get a lot of stimulation (according to the videos posted). Definitely a breeder I think you would want to visit, get references, and find out more about the health testing of their dogs before putting down a deposit.
 

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I don’t have any personal knowledge of the breeder, but looking them up, I do see a couple of potential flags. They don’t provide any info on conformation, although they seem to be more focused on therapy dog breeding if their good dog page is to be believed. There are few pictures on said page, although it seems their Facebook is updated at least somewhat regularly. In addition, I don’t see any take back guarantees mentioned anywhere, which could be a problem if you had to rehome your dog for any reason. It also doesn’t seem like they really do anything with their dogs at all, and are more than likely a hobby breeder, which is fine, and you would likely end up with a pretty good dog, but I wouldn’t expect them to be as much of a resource to you as somebody who is all in. It does seem like they do all the necessary health testing, however, which is good, and I don’t see any signs of them being a puppy mill or a typical BYB.
Thank you! That's exactly what I was thinking. Helps to hear it from someone else!
 

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Some positives...looks like the pups are well socialized with children and other animals. It looks like they get a lot of stimulation (according to the videos posted). Definitely a breeder I think you would want to visit, get references, and find out more about the health testing of their dogs before putting down a deposit.
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I took a quick look through things. It looks like the sire used for their current litter was only 17 months old at the time of breeding. It says the dam has CHIC certification, but the sire doesn't which makes sense given his age. I can't find the official names for their dogs and Benson's Bluff doesn't return any results on OFA so I can't check it out. No indication of titles on the dogs. I'd say my first impression is that they're a mediocre breeder.
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Looks like a family that's just breeding their two pet poodles....but they do seem like very sweet, well cared for poodles!

In addition to the above advice, I'd probably also inquire about the future of their breeding program. As it seems they just have the one dam, how many more litters do they have planned for her?

I'm so afraid of inadvertently supporting unscrupulous folks. But I think that initial fact-finding conversation can tell you a lot. Even better if you could go meet them.
 

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I'm not familiar with them but found them in a resource I've recently learned of. It's easier than trying to find info on a FB page.


OFA for Riley SHARMIK'S JJ'S RILEY ON THE EDGE

I'm offering my personal checklist below. Some points will come up naturally in conversations/communications with a breeder and some may need to be brought up as special attention, at appropriate times but always before any financial transactions.

My ideal breeder is someone who is doing this because they love the breed. They want to see each new generation born at least as good as the previous, ideally better. They provide for every dog in their care as if that dog is their own. They will be there for the new family, and stand behind that pup for it's lifetime, rain or shine, with or without a contract. They will know the standards and pedigrees of their chosen breed, health and genetic diversity of their lines, and breed to better them. They will know of the latest studies in health standards for their chosen breed and variety.
They will have as many questions for me as I do for them. They invest in their dogs. They don't expect the dogs to support them.

Breeding Program
! to maintain, improve, strengthen the breed
by breeding to standard, for health and genetic diversity,
and will prove their dogs meet these standards by showing or competing
or by breeding from titled parents. It's not the title, but what it shows
! focus is on quality, never quantity
! they do not cross breed

Breeding Parents
! registry information available
AKC Registry Lookup
! not too old or young for breeding
! not overbred
see Asking questions from a breeder
and Frequency of Breeding a Bitch
! genetic health testing done appropriate to breed and variety
! other health testing such as eyes, hips
! results of testing on own website, OFA site or testing lab
see Health Related Publications - Versatility In Poodles, Inc.
and OFA Lookup https://www.ofa.org/look-up-a-dog

Living Conditions
! in home with family
! breeder allows, even encourages home visits

Puppies
! routine and urgent vet care, immunizations, dewormings
! socialization
! first groomings
! registry papers
! they will not require spay/neuter before physical maturity
! health "guarantee" generally favors the breeder, not the buyer.
health guarantee is no replacement for health testing of dam and sire.
beginning housetraining is a bonus
temperament testing is helpful

Advertising
! individual website to detail history of breeder, goals for their program
! information on dams, sires, puppies
! no trend pricing for color, gender or size,
! no marketing gimmick terms like "teacup" "royal"

! Anything not found on the website should be provided by breeder before buying

If a breeder wants me to believe that they believe in their dogs, they won't stop the investment when it comes time to find the new families. If they want to cut costs by using free advertising sites like craigslist or listing on retail marketplaces like puppyspot or puppyfind, or other classified ad sites such as newspapers, I wonder what else they've cut costs on.

Contact a few breeders to introduce yourself. Even if they don't have or don't offer what you're looking for, it can be a close knit community. They may know where to refer you.

There is also a list of breeders recommended by PF members in the Poodle Breeder Directory section. This list is a work in progress.
 

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These recommendations by Rose n Poos have been posted before to inquires on breeders, testing, etc. It is a very helpful guide to all the things future puppy owners should know. Let's give Rose a break reposting this so much and make it a Sticky.
 

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I like to Google AKC Breeders of Merit Wisconsin or whichever state applies. Searching Wisconsin, I came across a short list of other breeders that you should consider. Never be turned off with a “show” breeder. They are proving their dogs’ structure and temperament against others. Comprehensive health testing is a given. Their standing and reputations are on their dogs. Keep looking and best wishes on the quest.
 

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I like to Google AKC Breeders of Merit Wisconsin or whichever state applies
I'm always looking for suggestions for resources, thanks Mfmst for the idea.

Let's give Rose a break reposting this so much and make it a Sticky.
I really appreciate that. The sad thing is, it has been stickied for a little while now :).
 

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I'm not familiar with them but found them in a resource I've recently learned of. It's easier than trying to find info on a FB page.


OFA for Riley SHARMIK'S JJ'S RILEY ON THE EDGE

I'm offering my personal checklist below. Some points will come up naturally in conversations/communications with a breeder and some may need to be brought up as special attention, at appropriate times but always before any financial transactions.

My ideal breeder is someone who is doing this because they love the breed. They want to see each new generation born at least as good as the previous, ideally better. They provide for every dog in their care as if that dog is their own. They will be there for the new family, and stand behind that pup for it's lifetime, rain or shine, with or without a contract. They will know the standards and pedigrees of their chosen breed, health and genetic diversity of their lines, and breed to better them. They will know of the latest studies in health standards for their chosen breed and variety.
They will have as many questions for me as I do for them. They invest in their dogs. They don't expect the dogs to support them.

Breeding Program
! to maintain, improve, strengthen the breed
by breeding to standard, for health and genetic diversity,
and will prove their dogs meet these standards by showing or competing
or by breeding from titled parents. It's not the title, but what it shows
! focus is on quality, never quantity
! they do not cross breed

Breeding Parents
! registry information available
AKC Registry Lookup
! not too old or young for breeding
! not overbred
see Asking questions from a breeder
and Frequency of Breeding a Bitch
! genetic health testing done appropriate to breed and variety
! other health testing such as eyes, hips
! results of testing on own website, OFA site or testing lab
see Health Related Publications - Versatility In Poodles, Inc.
and OFA Lookup https://www.ofa.org/look-up-a-dog

Living Conditions
! in home with family
! breeder allows, even encourages home visits

Puppies
! routine and urgent vet care, immunizations, dewormings
! socialization
! first groomings
! registry papers
! they will not require spay/neuter before physical maturity
! health "guarantee" generally favors the breeder, not the buyer.
health guarantee is no replacement for health testing of dam and sire.
beginning housetraining is a bonus
temperament testing is helpful

Advertising
! individual website to detail history of breeder, goals for their program
! information on dams, sires, puppies
! no trend pricing for color, gender or size,
! no marketing gimmick terms like "teacup" "royal"

! Anything not found on the website should be provided by breeder before buying

If a breeder wants me to believe that they believe in their dogs, they won't stop the investment when it comes time to find the new families. If they want to cut costs by using free advertising sites like craigslist or listing on retail marketplaces like puppyspot or puppyfind, or other classified ad sites such as newspapers, I wonder what else they've cut costs on.

Contact a few breeders to introduce yourself. Even if they don't have or don't offer what you're looking for, it can be a close knit community. They may know where to refer you.

There is also a list of breeders recommended by PF members in the Poodle Breeder Directory section. This list is a work in progress.
Thank you! I appreciate the information and advice--so many "poodle people" have been generous with their expertise and time.
 
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