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I think your dog needs probiotic. Amway sells a probiotic that you can put on the dog's food. I tried it with one of my foster dogs with bad digestion problems and it worked well.
I was under the impression it was best to give them canine-specific strains. Maybe it depends on what bacteria they need most?
 

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Update : 5 days have passed since the raw beef trial and Beckie is still licking her butt. I’m getting discouraged. If Beckie can’t tolerate the turkey, the only one that worked so far, I wonder where to go next...

I’ll give it a little more time, it took 5 days for the chicken allergy to pass. But I’m getting nervous.
 

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Pogo has been ill lately, and the vet has been having us try Royal Canin hydrolyzed formula. Expensive, and a hassle because we have to get it from the vet, but he's tolerating it well after not getting relief from home cooked beef or home cooked chicken. He also loves the kibbles enough that I can use them like training treats.
 

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Pogo has been ill lately, and the vet has been having us try Royal Canin hydrolyzed formula. Expensive, and a hassle because we have to get it from the vet, but he's tolerating it well after not getting relief from home cooked beef or home cooked chicken.
It works well with some dogs but there are way too many ingredients and it doesn’t suit Beckie. I’ve tried about 4 different vet foods, all very expensive. I still have one that Merlin is finishing.
 

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It works well with some dogs but there are way too many ingredients and it doesn’t suit Beckie. I’ve tried about 4 different vet foods, all very expensive. I still have one that Merlin is finishing.
I hope you find something that suits her. It's so frustrating when they feel bad and you just can't figure out how to fix it
 

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I just realized something last night while reading a different post on PF... There are two types of butt licking for Beckie : « I’m having an allergic reaction » and « my glands are full » (or a mix of both) !

I had forgotten the latter. This morning I emptied her glands and they were mega full. Hopefully no more butt licking, but now I have to make sure to distinguish between the two types.

Sigh. Why can’t this allergy thing be just a little easier ?
 

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I’ve gone to the store and bought rabbit for Beckie. It’s the only protein, besides turkey, that is really low fat (4%). Since she is having reflux after every meal, I figure the fat content is too high for her liver (she might have chronic cholestasis). She has also been eating more grass in the last week, which is probably to get relief from gastric discomfort or nausea.

I will now stay on low fat food. The only raw meal that seemed to worked perfectly so far is the first I tried, which was 3% fat turkey.

After emptying her glands, she was still going for her bum this morning. Let’s hope it gets better. Oh, and when I woke up this morning, I had 4-5 vomit spots and poop on floor. I suppose the vomit might be from Beckie (It looks like « grass » vomit) and the poop from Merlin, but it’s impossible to be certain.

This is getting hard and complicated. If I don’t get anywhere within the next 4-6 weeks, I will try to find a dog allergist, although they might not even exist.
 

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That must be a helpless and sad feeling. Going such great lengths to try and find something Beckie can eat without getting sick and the cycle when she has a bad reaction. Hopefully it really is just the beef allergy needing the full week to get better. Poor sweet girl.
I hope the rabbit works out for her.
 

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So complicated. I really feel for you.

The holistic vet near us helps with dietary planning and allergy testing. Do you have one you could consult with? I imagine they could even help remotely, by phone or online.
 

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So complicated. I really feel for you.

The holistic vet near us helps with dietary planning and allergy testing. Do you have one you could consult with? I imagine they could even help remotely, by phone or online.
I don’t know, I haven’t been able to find one so far. I’ll look more in a few weeks if I am still feeling I am going nowhere. If I could, I would cook for her but because of health problems, I don’t even cook for myself so it’s not an option.
 

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Update : six weeks later, we’re almost back to square one. I’ve made the mistake of feeding Beckie some other food besides the protein I was testing. At first it seemed to work, but then the itching was happening no matter what protein I was feeding and it just became a big, confusing mess.

Why was I doing that ? Well, my dogs are used to having healthy foods in tiny amount (apples, bananas, yogurt, strawberries...) and also they have get a healthy dog treat at noon and 6 pm every day. And Beckie is very, very demanding of her food. She will torment you until she gets it. So I was trying to find ways to keep up with her routine so she would be happy. But you can’t do an elimination diet this way; it just won’t work. I’ve had to empty her glands three times in the past 10-12 days, maybe from me trying different treats less likely to trigger her allergies. I’ll never know.

So I basically wasted six weeks... Not entirely, at least I know chicken and beef don’t work. That I’m sure about.

Since yesterday I’ve only been feeding the one protein food. She doesn’t understand why she’s not getting her usual food. It breaks my heart but I don’t have a choice if we want to succeed.
 

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Oh Dechi, how frustrating for you and little Beckie. It's a setback, but you'll get the trial back on track.
 
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When Poppy was strictly on the sensitivity canned food I made crunchy treats by baking tiny bits. Perhaps you could try something similar? Baking to a soft chewy consistency, then drying half till they were very crispy gave me three different consistencies, which convinced Poppy she was still getting a whole range of different foods. I made the treats very tiny, using a silicon fat draining mat, so she could have lots of them every day. They don't take long, and each baking makes around 800, so they go a long way.
 
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When Poppy was strictly on the sensitivity canned food I made crunchy treats by baking tiny bits. Perhaps you could try something similar?
I wonder how pure raw meat would turn ? I have to admit also that I am miserable feeding raw and this would just feel like another chore.

Beckie has been two days strictly on rabbit meat. She looks miserable all day long. She wants her apple, her babana, her yogurt. I feel her pain. I truly hate this way of feeding and I have decided it’s not for me. If I were convinced Beckie is 100% healthy on it, maybe. But she still has reflux and I am not convinced this is the best way to feed a dog. Too much proteins. They are omnivores, not carnivores.

Anyways, I have to keep doing it for at many more weeks, until I come to a definite conclusion. Right now, after those 2 days without anything else but her meat, the licking seems to be diminishing. She still does it at bedtime though. And those reflux. Even Merlin has them and he doesn’t have any gastric or liver problems.

Once I know for sure what proteins she can have, I will find the best low fat kibble possible, and I will top it with raw meat. This way she can have the best of both worlds. Before they used to say you couldn’t feed kibble with raw because it wasn’t digested the same way, but now it’s said to be untrue.

I found Rayne that made low fat, single protein kibble, but since they moved their plant from Australia to the USA, customers are complaining big time about the quality. Still looking, if anyone knows of a company. It’s very hard to find a low fat, single protein kibble.
 

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Is there any reason it has to be raw? I personally would find a large crock pot of dog food prepared once and then frozen for weeks more convenient. And i would much rather feed rabbit cooked tidbits as treats than raw!!!

This website has some interesting recipes that are more nutritionally balanced:

I know a lot of dogs do very well on raw and high protein, and a lot of dogs do better on lower protein.

I am a fan of natural balance for Limited ingredient lower protein foods. They tend to be one protein, one or two grain sources which is really nice. Natures variety also had decent LID foods (inclusing a rabbit recipe) but i havent looked in years.
 

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Is there any reason it has to be raw? I personally would find a large crock pot of dog food prepared once and then frozen for weeks more convenient. And i would much rather feed rabbit cooked tidbits as treats than raw!!!
I can’t cook for my dogs. I have to find something all prepared. I hate raw with a passion. I’m using it because it’s the only way for now to feed only one ingredient. Anything else would have carbs, grains, legumes or others.
 
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