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Better late then never

Sorry I avoided this post, as is a habit of mine with training posts. - sorry-

Ok here goes, (remember you asked for it), so this is likely to be long, get comfy. :p

First off, it isn't a super grand idea to correct or punish a dog for barking in ummmm about 95% of cases. If you're out for a walk and a dog and it barks and you correct or punish, you run an extremely high risk of teaching that dog that whatever he is barking out means something unpleasnant is on the way. This creates a couple of lovely problems in some dogs. Better to redirect the dog's focus and teach them that 1)that other dog isnt bad so just don't worry about him 2)hey look another dog, do I get a treat, toy, petted..... ?? He'll look to you for something and likely be happy about it, instead of expecting to be told NO and pulled in the other direction.

Everyone is different Pam, but I am not a huge fan of physical correction be it with your hand, or a leash. Thats the lazy way out and really doesn't teach the dog much. I would argue that fact with my last breath. Teaching through fear or pain is going to eventauly come back to bite you, maybe literaly.

I might try a completely different set of tactics wich will probably seems counter productive to you. Have you ever heard a trainer say that you should teach a dog to speak before you teach him to be quiet? It makes sense, teach Barking so you can teach no barking.
Jazz will bark at the fence, and out the window of the shop, and occasionaly on the table if somebody comes in. Obviously I don't mind a few barks, espeicaly if I am alone. I like the warning. I got a big dog for the big bark since I am home alone so often. I to needed a way to stop the behavior after I had been warned.

So, pick a word that is going to mean the end of barking. *rule - you aren't allowed to pick a word with NO in it* (sorry) I like words like Thankyou, enough, or anything else you can think of.
Have a leash and treats handy. If you use a marker like a clicker, whistle, or a verbal cue, which I would strongly suggest, have that ready too.

The next time she barks, use your word, and get her attention with a treat. Sanp a leash on her if you have to drag her away from the window :) Mark the behavior (if you're using a marker) when she turns her attention from the window to you. You want her to think that everytime she needs to bark at something outside she should get something yummy inside (use dog food if you're worried about her getting fat). You may have to do a few obedience cues to keep her interested in you for a bit instead of wanting to go straight back to the window.

Now I know, it sounds like you are rewarding bad behavior, but the goal here is for her to bark at something outside, warning you it's there, and then come running over to you when you tell her that'll do.


Method two/ what to do next
Time out
If you aren't interested in the above training, you can also try time out. Use your stop barking cue, and if she doesn't don't say another word take her by the collar and without any fuss say time out and put her in her crate. Use no emotion in your voice when you say time out. This is NOT punishment, her crate is not a bad place. It's just, I need a break, you need a break, go here. Make sure she doesn't have anything fun in her crate like a bone or a toy. I fyou sent your kid to time out in his room and he had an xbox to entertain him would time out be effective? No. Same deal with the dog. Time outs are no more than 3 minutes (provided the dog isn't barking), and you when you let them out all if forgiven no hard feelings. Like hitting the reset button. You don't make a big deal about of letting them out though, no good girls or anything like that. Just let her out. If she goes right back to the window and starts barking she goes right back in time out for another 2 or 3 minutes.
You can also use time out after the initial reward if she won't stop going to the window and barking so both methods can be combined.

Keep this in mind though, that training away from this behavior is going to take a while. She's been allowed to continue for long enough to make it a habit and we know habits are hard to break. Aside from that, your previous efforts to stop her were ineffective and she's learned she doesn't HAVE to stop. So she is going to be twice as determined to bark out that window. The behavior may be worse before it gets better. Thats OK, thats how you know you're really getting through. It's a sign that they are making one last huge effort to hang onto the behavior thats worked for them for so long.
 

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If "Out" is the equal to No in your vacab then it wouldn't be a good choice for this. Enough is a good one, as it Quiet, and Thankyou. I personaly use Thankyou for my "drop it/give cue.

Alter your mindset a tad if you can. You aren't praising her for being quiet you are first praising and rewarding her for the barking since you don't want to stop the behavior entirely. After that you can reward her for sifting her attention to what she is barking at to you. Take discipline out of the equation in your thought process. Definitly DON'T name the time out thing, don't threaten her with it either. Just do it. It's either thankyou very much for barking, that'll do though so shift off and come hang out with me and be quiet. OR go to time out with no warning at all. Make sense?
 

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Jazz barks in the backyard when we aren't out there, I''ve been considering a bark collar for her, probably the spray kind. Honestly if it comes down to an zapping her with a shock collar or irritate the neighbors.... I'll irritate the neighbors and just double dawg dare them to complain... I can be kind of a bitch I'm told *looks innocent* I don't understand how people come to that conclusion....

Keep in mind Jen, that you may have to use a leash, in your case I would suggest a long line to MAKE him redirect his attention.

Both of you need a mark of some kind that is different from praise, I use a verbal "Yes" in moderate tone of voice, a clicker, or a dog whistle.

Oh speaking of whistles.... actualy you can use a whistle, like a regular one doesn't have to be the doggie kind, to teach come when called... that could be a great way to get your dog's to redirect focus AND come to you.
 

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That sounds good - I usually whistle for Ginger and Teddy when I want them to come in and they do - occasionally Ginger is busy barking at the negihbors and I have to call her. But the barking at the window! Wondrpup I can't believe it - this morning she started to bark at the neighbor across the street and stopped ON HER OWN! when I came into the room I praised her - wow I can't believe this - she must have really been wanting my attentions. I have neglected her a little since the surgery. Love that dog!!! Of course Teddy gets in there for his pets too at the same time but somehow I iknow ginger knows that its mostly for her for being good.
LoL, see she's a good girl LoL.
Careful that you don't teach her to bark in order to get your attention though. Have her do a couple of sits or a down or something so you have more than one thing to praise her for :)
 

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Keep a leash handy by the window then snap it to her collar when you're ready to lead her away. A frustrated dog who gets hauled away by his collar may try and bite even though they wouldn't normaly ever consider such a thing.

Yup, a treat would have been a good idea. Maybe keep something close at hand there too along with the leash for a little while.

If you're praising her make sure you're not making a big deal out of it for the barking part. We already know she knows how to bark at the window lol. A simple yes or good will do. Then follow that with enough or whatever word you are going to use to mean ok stop barking now. That is when the treats come out and loads of praise when she stops since stopping is the point of the training in this case. That is also when the leash comes out if you need to physcialy remove her from the window. It's really important that when you remove her though that you don't just pull her down out of the window. Go as far away as it takes for her to shift her attention to you. Then praise and treat. You may need a treat at first to lure her (along with the leash) away from the window. Remember you've praised and treated her for her quiet focus on YOU not on being quiet but intent to get back to the window. At that point once she's been treated/praised for comming down out of the window if she tries to go back is when you stop her. Get her attention back on you or if you can't she goes to time out. She's only allowed to bark at the window to warn you of doom once LoL.
 

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LoL, Yes you must be patient and in most cases it gets worse before it gets better. I wish it was easier sometimes. LoL, People want a magic dog training problem solving one dose pill to fix what ails them. I'll let you know when I finish developing that (along with workable pig wings we're working on, LoL)
 

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Wonderpup - one more question - Whenever I praise or correct Ginger Teddy butts his way in -if I give her a treat - he's gonna expect one - if I pet her the same - is that ok?
Yeah sure, in my house I make the other dog do something even if it's just a sit for their treat. Just one more chance to practice. School is always in session around here lol
 

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Hey wait, I thought Gunther was perfect too LoL :p

In my opinion everyone needs a florida vacation, just watch the weather... it's really storming here this morning. Bleh, Saleen's puppy class was awful.
 
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